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Using nukes and watching the radioactive fallout cover Israel would be classic Trump.
I just know the orange and the drunk clown would get hard from the thought of using nukes if they still could get hard.
I think Trump will seriously threaten with nukes but he won't actually use them because Russia will MAD back Iran.
Otherwise they would genuinely consider using tactical nukes for instant victory.
I hope you are right. And it makes sense.
On the other hand, that orange child rapist has the temperament of an insane toddler, and wants to be remembered. At the moment he's remembered mostly for being in cahoots with Epstein and for protecting paedos etc etc, so what better way to change that than by using a nuke on Iran...
If history tells us anything that person is wrong. That was the same thought process in 1914.
Not boring. Like the sort of opposite really.
They’d be stupid not to prepare.
Huh.
You know, I was aware about how fucking stupid and awful things are but it never once occurred to me that yes Trump and his yes men are in office and they do have access to nukes.
Like yeah. I knew that, that's obvious. But it never once occurred to me that thier use would ever be in play. I never thought anyone, no matter how stupid and depraved would use them.
I'm not surprised. But at the same time. I am.
Ya I WAS in that boat, till I found out he a pedo bb eater. Now it's very probable, he has to win. If one goes down, they all do and they know that.
You must be a well adjusted person and don't follow his speeches or interviews a lot.
If you're as brain rotted as me you'll learn his "jokes" or "I'm not saying buts" are him testing responses to actual things he wants to do.
He has been talking about "the N word" (Nuclear) for awhile. He wants to be a president that is remembered. He doesn't view history as a person with morality would. He does not care if he's remembered as a Hitler. He definitely would drop a nuke if the opportunity presented itself.
The only thing stopping him is the restraint of people in his admin. Not the people we see on TV. But the actual military leaders. And these military leaders are not moral either. They are simply concerned with whether is it strategically helpful to use one. Nukes are really not useful in warfare. I think this is literally the last line of sanity that keeps it from happening. We are all relying on war crazed genocide supporting military leaders to not see it as a good strategic option.
However, Iran is different. Trump cannot admit it was a mistake. His ego will not let him. And the military cannot secure trade routes without boots on the ground and tens of thousands of American military deaths.
So, well, those military leaders are being put in a corner. My only hope is that a military coup would be much more reasonable to them than dropping nukes. Trump wants to drop a nuke. But he wants to drop "the best nuke". The "most strategic nuke". Something that he will make him a great figure in his mind. Not a good figure. Not a moral figure. But in anyway that will be remembered with importance.
I hope someone can convince him that dropping a classic would be best and then we have a sideshow Bob situation
Tbf it could be Israel that drops a nuke, but same difference.
Honestly, unless they do it without Trump's knowledge, I don't think Trump would pass up the opportunity of being the one to press the button.
Obviously, geographically it would come from Israel. But Trump would definitely want to be given the "glory".
Cancer for you and I and malformities of our grandkids.
Grandkids? If nukes go off I'd say like 1% or less of the current population, that don't have kids already, end up having grandkids.
And 2 pariah states with legacies they will never outlive.
I think if anyone is going to use a nuclear weapon, it'll be israel.
The US can pull out, president man-baby can write a fanfiction about himself winning the war, and all his thugs can turn their attention to some other debacle, but israel will always be within range of Iranian missiles.
Without US support (and many Americans, even some of the really evil ones, have had enough of israel at this point) it could end up facing an existential threat. They've shown again and again that they have absolutely no regard for human life, and they don't even seem to consider blowback most of the time. I believe israel going "Samson option" is by far the most likely nuclear scenario.
Nuclear weapons are great at leveling cities, but not so great at destroying military infrastructure. On a per-dollar basis they actually kind of suck as weapons of war. From a purely rational strategic perspective, they're most useful as a deterrent (which is how Israel has been using them). Netanyahu is an imperialist genocidal maniac but he's not dumb.
Whereas if and when Trump does get his wish to pop a nuke, it won't be for strategic gain but because he just couldn't be restrained anymore. This absolute moron wanted to nuke a fucking hurricane FFS. It's only a matter of time before he gets his wish since the US military has lost all ability to tell him no.
Bibi and Trump are both desperate and fueled by their own selfish motivations. That being said it’s not a question of stupidity but rather of myopic self-preservation.
That's the point, I can't see how it would help Netanyahu with self-preservation. Going nuclear would be unpopular and ineffective as Israelis understand that their arsenal is more effective in a "will they won't they" deterrence capacity. He wants constant war and doesn't need nukes to get it.
Now what he might do is convince Trump to send nukes and pretend he had nothing to do with it. It's not like Trump is hard to manipulate and Miller probably loves the idea to begin with.
If they beat the India-Pakistan tension. Both of them have nukes and could get very desperate with a war about resources, like water.
Iran at this point is likely going to be forced to make a sprint for the bomb. What else are they supposed to do, just accept that Israel will periodically bomb them every few months and kill thousands of people each time? The only path Iran has to security is nukes.
At the same time, it seems now that Israel and the US really don't have a way of preventing Iran from getting the bomb. The US, let alone Israel, doesn't even have a military large enough to occupy Iran. And any attempted occupation of Iran would be Iraq times ten. Wave after wave of suicide bombers and IEDs.
Israel and the the US have put Iran in the position where it really needs to push for nukes. At the same time, Israel and the US really don't have any good way to prevent Iran from finishing their weapons program. They already have highly enriched uranium, and it's a giant country with countless places to hide centrifuges and bomb-making equipment. The US and Israel are really good at hacking communications and locating potential targets, but I imagine the Iranian regime is quickly moving entirely to analog methods of communication. Literally bringing out the typewriters. I really don't see how the US and Israel can really stop the Iranians from getting the bomb.
No way...except one. If Iran really wants to push for nukes, the only way to really stop them would be to use nukes against them. You might not be able to find a bomb program divided and scattered in a hundred locations across Tehran, but that doesn't matter if you simply make Tehran cease existing in its entirety.
That's what has me so worried about this. The US and Israel are simultaneously forcing Iran to rush for the bomb, while at the same time, the US and Israel have no real conventional method to prevent the Iranians from finishing their nukes.
I can think of an effective way to keep iran from getting nuclear weapons. Agree to and honor a treaty.
What do you mean we tried that and it was working until dipshit donny interfered
I’ve been thinking they’ll use the nukes since they started this thing.
All they know is escalation, and eventually when they run out of other ideas that one is a pretty big escalation to try out.
The US dropped 88,500 tonnes of bombs in Iraq. That was over twice Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
Same. The rest of NATO would condemn it and kick us out, but they’re not going to retaliate. Russia and China aren’t going to retaliate. It’s a chance to do it and get away with it to the sounds of condemnation but no direct consequences to the people who order it. It allows them to project their power and willingness to go to the extreme. I don’t even think it would be a move of desperation as much as a “because we can”. They love to be perceived as intimidating and project strength.
If the US nukes Iran I want my government to sever all ties. No matter the amount of damage that does to us, you cannot let that shit pass.
I wish more nations would start severing ties currently, or at least sanctioning, imposing tariffs, refusing to do business with American based businesses. Hopefully people in other nations are already avoiding purchasing as much US product as they can. It won’t bankrupt the oligarchs but it’ll get passed on to the rest of us. Conservatives will abide all sorts of cruelty and injustice so long as people they don’t like are getting hurt. But you’ll never find a bigger “victim” than a conservative when the leopards arrive. His loyalists won’t turn on him but the ones who tolerated the hate because they thought it would benefit them will, and if they have to suffer business losses, foreclosures, and poverty as a result, good.
I've been waiting for this particular shoe to drop since 2016.
I'm honestly surprised the threat of such hasn't come up before this.
Here's the Politico article that this article from The Independent cites and takes the most sensational part of for its headline.
The nuclear threat that Balkhy talks about is mainly potential fallout from strikes on nuclear sites. She also mentions a nuclear weapon because both aggressors have them, but you can tell she's plainly focused on the former.
Both aggressors . U.S and Israel both have nukes. Iran does not.
But China does.
I honestly would be shocked if herr trump didnt use a nuke
he likely wants a GOLD plated nuke button in the oval office.
Nukes should be treated like fine China. You only break them out when you have visitors. The visitors needed for nukes are hostile aliens.
Just wait till 2027 please. I need GTA VI to curb this shit reality
2027 is China invasion of Taiwan. I think GTA VI will release this coming 2050.
2050: Oops, all Skyrim!
Spaceballs? Oh, shit. There goes the planet.
What wonderful news!
So what would you do if you ordered a nuclear strike on a foreign country and then you flew your private extortion jet liner to get to your bunker, you run out of the plane...there's not much time left they tell you. So you keep running into the bunker and you tell the guard thank you for your sacrifice. He starts closing the door from outside for you. You keep running down the stairs and then you hear several hundred farts go off. Can't pay attention but reach bottom of bunker. You hear the door final close after the farts. You reach the bottom to find an empty concrete room, epoxy coating finish. At the center there is a table and on it half a milkyway chocolate bar. You hear all sorts of banging. Then silence.
Hours later your sort of hungry so you eat the milkyway. Pretty good you think to yourself, considering the destruction you just unleashed. That's until a few minutes later when you realize you got the runs! You can't go opening the door! There's fall out outside! So you poop in the corner. You also gotta pee! Fine just pee on the wall. But the floor is super level so it just spreads out along. Mixing with poo, the smell is mild, almost tolerable now.
Fine! You tell yourself... I must open the first door and knock on the outside just to see if anyone is still alive. I'm kind of hungry actually.... Open the stairs door...pew! It stinks like a god would smell wet and smeared in rotten eggs. Dam! Now the entire place smells of fart! You must escape! Get fresh air and food! Fall out won't be here for another 30 minutes! You can make it! Run! Fucker! Run! Pant a little your fat ass! Run! Shit, these stair are steep! Finally the vault door! Turn it! Except you can't.... They've locked you in there! LOL
Everyone is in on it. Everyone watched you eat the rancid milkyway! Everyone saw you waddling on your own poop. They saw your face when you got the farts. Yes! It was us all along! Now festivities! Or maybe we're all dead. Give up for now. You'll get stronger tomorrow and maybe, just maybe you'll be able to open the door and get pizza.