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[–] Anaeijon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Unknowingly?

Ingress was quite transparent about the goal of gathering real-world data to allows development of future technologies like self-driving and navigation.

It's the reason, why I started playing it around 2012.

[–] AnotherPenguin@programming.dev 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Just like recaptchas training OCR

[–] Flipper@feddit.org 20 points 8 hours ago

If anyone ist surprised by that they should look up why niantic was ever founded.

It was always about data collection in the real world.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 hours ago

Not even the first alarming issue with Pokemon Go

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 84 points 18 hours ago (4 children)
[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

the same budget

How much did this it cost to collect all this data?

What cost? The data collectors paid us!

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 30 points 17 hours ago

But you don't understand! Some of those Charizards were shiny!

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[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Is this bad? I mean I guess it has the potential to damage delivery workers, but isn’t working for grubhub or doordash already kind of a scam anyway? That’s before we consider that the likelyhood of any product coming to market that could actually successfully do deliveries. Sounds like a job complicated beyond the capabilities of any robot now or in the near future anyway.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 42 points 12 hours ago (10 children)

It's bad under capitalism, because it means that the ruling class get to keep an even higher percentage of profits.

Under socialism, it's good.

Fully automated luxury gay space communism would be awesome, but until we get socialism, we should take cues from the luddite movement.

[–] moontorchy@lemmy.world -5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I am not saying capitalism is flawless. It gets ugly quite often. But how do you know it’s good under socialism? Have you lived in socialist society or know any examples where it thrives. Socialism idea being romanticised a lot these days. Sadly reality proves it’s an utopian model.

[–] Gwyntale@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

Socialism: Drones take over peoples jobs -> These people work something else / everyone works less.

Capitalism: Drones take over peoples jobs -> These people starve.

In a socialist setting, the advent of better and better robots and drones would be a boon for society. Menial and transport jobs can be done by machines, while humans shift their work elsewhere and/or simply work less.

In a capitalist setting, that's not the case. Robots take over human work, not to free up those humans to do something else, but to raise profits for the owner of those robots. This leads to less and less jobs for people and since your worth and right to live is tied to your job in capitalism, this doesn't bode well for society.

Large scale automation would be great in a system, that tries to facilitate the best possible living conditions for its citizens with the least amount of work.

Capitalism sadly isn't interested in making the citizens work as little as possible. It's interested in generating profit for the people at the top.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 61 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (11 children)

Nothing is free. All free services are using your data somehow.

If you’re not the customer, you’re the product.

In this case, it was mostly children’s data.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 hours ago

True for Corps but not everything

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 43 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

If you’re not the customer, you’re the product.

Except most free and open-source software, major open knowledge bases, literally the social media service you're using to communicate this point right now...

While understandable when talking about services by for-profit corporations, this talking point without that context is oversimplified to the point of being obnoxious in a world where I can set up a desktop OS with a fully featured environment and software suite then go browse a social media site where at no stage was anything free where I was the product.


Edit: Moreover, an arguably worse problem with this saying in 2026 is that it implies (doesn't outright state, but implies to an uninformed reader) that paid services can save them from this, which these days is almost universally untrue.

[–] redhat421@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, revised version:

If you're not paying you're the product. If you are paying you're still the product and paying for the privilege*.

  • Except for not for profit software / platforms.

Humm, that's not as pithy.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 12 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, I didn’t think I needed to make clear I meant with for profit companies.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

Pokémon Go already has multiple revenue streams, including direct in-app purchases.

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[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 17 hours ago

This is - unfortunately - not surprising. Niantic has always been in the business of selling/using user data for profit, they were a spin-off from Google after all. Their first big game, Ingress, was used to train Google Maps.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 20 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I thought they were working on getting people to Pokémon Go to the polls!

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Holy shit that was almost 10 years ago. Time flies when everyday gets shittier and shittier.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Time flies when you live in a time sucking vacume of existential dread, exacerbated by a deadly global pandemic which was made even worse by a political party trying to prolong the death hoping to gain a political advantage in the then upcoming election.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I Agree 💯💯💯

All I want is for politics to be something I only have to think about a few months before Election Day. My grandmother who’s in her 80s told me that was the way it was back in the day. Republicans ruined American society all because they are a bunch of stuck up loser bitches and are do nothing good organized criminals.

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[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 7 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Hillary did some maximum pandering there, but it worked since I dutifully did Pokémon Go to the Polls.

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[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

And this is why you dont take AR scans of pokestops/use ar mode. The free $1 poffin isnt worth the betrayal of the area.

Goofy.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

When I played I just spoiled the data. I found out that you can just hold a white piece of paper in front of the camera and bounce your phone lightly up and down to simulate movement (since they want you to walk around the real world location you’re photographing). Other persons I played with just photographed their shoes, so Niantic only had useless photos.

I’d guess the majority of players properly adhered to guidelines when doing AR field research. A small minority probably uploaded useless data.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Hey! Whoa! That's uncalled for!

......Goofy isn't even a Pokemon.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I feel like this was common knowledge back in 2016. Is this surprising to anyone?

[–] doctor0710@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

This comes up every couple of months like some freshly uncovered secret. You can see it in Google trends too. I'm surprised to see this being so prevalent over the fediverse, I thought karma farming wasn't a thing over here. 

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I thought so too. I seem to remember it almost being a selling point. Like: "Your adventures are being used to improve maps and train AI systems for the future of humanity! Yay!"

But I had a look at their old pages from 2017-2020ish in the Wayback machine and there's no mention of it. In fact, their privacy policies seemed to try to make it very clear that they don't sell or share user data except where needed to deliver the service or in anonymised aggregate to third parties (48 people went to your business while playing Pokemon!).

There's some mention of using it to advertise but none of them mention using it to build an advanced geo-spacial dataset for AI. Unless I'm missing something or reading it wrong?

Might be a Mandela effect.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Definitely not Mandela, but maybe it’s something Google never officially confirmed.

Here’s an article about Ingress, the spiritual predecessor to PkmnGo. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628936-200-why-googles-ingress-game-is-a-data-gold-mine/

[–] anzo@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago

I am one of the lucky 10,000 today 😄

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[–] dan@upvote.au 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a reason why you should actually read the Terms of Service and don't use the product if you don't agree with them. Niantic's ability to use your images like this would have been in the ToS.

AI has made this a bit easier since you can copy and paste the ToS into an LLM and ask it summarize the terms and point out the most important clauses (and clauses that aren't typical)

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