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[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 78 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Luckily google would never do the same to android /s

https://keepandroidopen.org/

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its still cheaper to publish on the play store (one time fee of $25), and iirc apks would still be installable with adb anyway.

Still a shitty thing to do

[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

One time fee sure, and then they close your account for not pushing updates frequently enough....

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm triggered.

Writing a privacy policy for an entirely off-line app was endlessly frustrating.

And it's crazy that there is no validation of the policy, you can say what you want and then do anything you like...

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's just not worth the effort. You'll find out they have change their policies on something, and you'll have to fix your app to suit. It's an endless churn of busywork

[–] Alberat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

and they started requiring government id in the us

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My (admittedly limited) understanding is that the ID requirements aren’t entirely their fault. Know Your Customer laws have started requiring things like IDs, so it’s likely that lawmakers are to blame for that gripe.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

even in the EU? that's a bit hard to believe

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you think the EU is immune to money laundering? Because that’s what KYC laws are meant to prevent. The EU absolutely has KYC laws to prevent money laundering.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but this is an app store, and their own policy, not a bank or other financial institution

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Step 1: Make a small, basic app. Include lots of in-app purchases for no reason.
Step 2: Use dirty money to buy those in-app purchases.
Step 3: Receive washed money from the App Store, minus the ~20% commission that the store takes.
Step 4: That’s it. You’re done. You’ve successfully laundered money in the App Store.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

this fails at step 2. you can't pay from your google account. you need google to send that money to your bank or paypal account. and at that point, you already have KYC.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, cut to the chase and switch ROMs. Google isn't going to budge.

[–] HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To postmarketos preferably

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If you don't care about installing any particular mobile software, that would work.

LineageOS is the current game in town otherwise, unless you want a Pixel, in which case there's options like GrapheneOS.

[–] HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, to some extent: waydroid actually works quite well, if you don't mind their security issues, a few apps also work with android translation layer. My main troubles are actually with virtual keyboards: there's nothing as good as heliboard so far, although the new plasma keyboard with custom layouts is usable

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Interesting. I've tried Linux phones, they're not a bad idea per se. It looks like Waydroid is literally just emulating LineageOS, though, so I do start to wonder what the point is.

I suppose one advantage would be you can actually hack your system a bit, instead of having everything locked into the ROM.

It's more like a chroot, not exactly emulation. The point, at least for me, used to be that some apps for android have better ux than their Linux counterparts (mostly newpipe vs freetube and antennapod vs kasts), but since both of those work reasonably well in ATL, I don't really use it much now.

Compared to lineage, I quite like being able to run desktop software as well; nix is a godsend here, since they compile many packages for arm64 as well as x86. Although, to be fair, I haven't tried running nixos in chroot alongside android; mb a viable option as well

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And this is why iOS gets progressive web apps from me. It isn't that I can't afford $100, it's more fuck Apple for demanding tribute from my work.

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I instead label iOS as simply unsupported

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

It's not that iOS is unsupported. It's just that they prohibit browsers from implementing the features my webapp needs.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you make them with graceful degradation. Most toolkits/frameworks don't. Else, simply make your webapp a webpage, please.

[–] thomasloven@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

As Steve intended. The first iPhone had no app store.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

more than that; you need to build on a ios machine, so every few years you have to buy a mac mini or some shit just to run xcode to compile the app. at least the last time I released an app across both stores that's where we were (8 years ago).

[–] Steve@startrek.website 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

not really wild about it. but, fortunately has not been a problem since ignoring the iOS market lol.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

Not that great

We have that problem at work. There's basically just a single hoster that provides mac machines with CI pipeline integration. And it's janky as fuck

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago

If they are charging that much they clearly don't want my app

[–] Bonje@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If people want your app on ios then set up a donnorbox or something.

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Linsensuppe@feddit.org 12 points 2 months ago

Jetzt hab ich Hunger

[–] coalie@piefed.zip 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How about a dick in a box?

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

That comes in the Donner Party box

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So that's why there weren't any open source apps on iOS. When I started my degoogling journey I got an iPhone to try out the grass on the other side. But i was sorely disappointed by both the low quality of the apps and the lack of open source alternatives.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

There is some, but it's mostly large projects with a lot of funding.

There's some oss projects on the app store that cost money as a way to cover the fee

[–] bobo@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget about apple aggressively blocking any form of sideloading for a while

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Still happens in the US, sadly. The EU forced them to allow sideloading, but the US version of iOS still tries to prevent it.

[–] bobo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

Damn I didn't know that. At least ios can now save PWAs lol

There are some open source iOS apps. VLC, Organic Maps, Psychonaut Journal, NetNewsWire, lots of Lemmy clients.

[–] blobii@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Christ it's PER YEAR now?

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