Agree, in the great reddit migration everyone came over and just created communities for everything. Now that the dust has settled we have hundreds of one person communities and so many similar ones.
Personally I'd like to see the admins go through their communities and say if there is only one member or if the only mods have been dormant to lock the communities and pin a post saying the community is up for adoption. At the very least that'd stop some of the hemorrhaging
I guess it's more on the mods of a community to look out for similar communities and engage with potential other moderators.
I just had a discussion with @livus@kbin.social about !moviesandtv@lemm.ee. I guess other mods should probably do the same.
Admin are already busy enough, especially wit 0.19 around the corner.
Also, good to see you around!
Yeah, I know there's just no way for users to do it. If there's only one mod and they're dormant then there's not a lot of options, and there are people who probably would want to take over the communities. There should be a "vote of no confidence" option, but obviously that could be abused. That's why just scanning and seeing which ones are dead first might be nice.
@scrubbles Kbin now has an automated process so if a community owner has been absent for a month, another person can just take over, and either revive it or delete it. Abandoned communities are also listed as abandoned. Would be really good if Lemmy could have something similar!
!movies@kbin.social started great and has over 4,000 subscribers, but suffered from an absent mod for a long time. Recently I made myself its owner and am slowly bringing it back to life.
That's why I was a little bemused at first when @Blaze (who I somehow mistook for a bot!) started crossposting all our new posts, but I actually don't think it's a problem. Interestingly, I've checked the list of upvoters for those crossposted articles across the two communities and it's not the same people in each. And only 21 people from my instance subscribe to moviesandtv.
I think it's good for mods to have these conversations. As the fediverse develops and discovery gets better (e.g. publicly shareable multi-feeds) things will start to grow or disappear organically and different communities will have different rules and flavours.
To take the example of movies again, already !movies@lemmy.world has a somewhat different flavour than !moviesandtv@lemm.ee which includes television.
Fragmentation can be cleaned up, but I also think decentralization is one of the important strengths of the fediverse, and we should be patient with small communities.
@livus@kbin.social Thanks for the info, I didn't know that!
I must admit I've neglected my longboard and moviesFr Kbin communities. I'm glad to learn that this automated process exists. Not only is it a good idea to ensure that magazines can survive and be maintained, but it also makes me want to get back to them and take care to them, because I don't necessarily want someone else to take over. 😄
@brome hey, I remember seeing moviesFr! :)
Yeah Ernest keeps low key adding features. You should probably check out "collections" next time you log in - it's like multireddits but for the fediverse.
@livus@kbin.social Thanks for noticing! 😉
Yes I'm going to catch up with all the changes that happened. It's cool to hear that Ernest is still here. One of the last things I remember hearing from here when I was active on kbin was that he was considering stepping out of the project and giving the keys to someone else.
@brome he did mention that in the early days because he seemed worried he wasn't going fast enough, but I think we all talked him out of it. :)
He did take some time out to deal with personal life, a couple of people made a fork (mbin). But the changes we're seeing these days made it worth the wait!
@livus@kbin.social To be honest, the thing that made me give up on kbin, a few months ago, was the federation problem between kbin and other services.
The thing is, I have a lot more followers on Firefish than on kbin, and I'd like to be able to boost kbin content with my Firefish account to make it discoverable for people who follow me. But boosting is impossible for "link" type posts, which make up a large portion of the content posted on kbin.
Also, even though I was able to boost "thread" type posts, they didn't look great on Firefish or Mastodon. Especially on Mastodon where they were reduced to a simple link pointing to the original kbin post, which is not very engaging.
I'm really looking forward to seeing these issues fixed. I think the threadiverse and the micro-blogging communities could benefit a lot from being able to correctly communicate with eachother.
@brome ah, I've been wanting to try out Firefish!
I was never a twitter person so the engagement with Mastodon has been really interesting for me, and an unexpected perk. But I guess I've been focused on me seeing their content rather than vice versa.
@livus
accs on misskey and its cutlery set (firefish, foundkey, iceshrimp and sharkey being the most important among them) are mostly unaware of what is happening on the threadiverse
mostly using a hajkey acc myself, i agree with @brome - although i tend to use kbin more frequently now, as kbin development regained steam
if sharkey were able to federate better with both kbin and lemmy, this would be a giant leap @Amelia @Marie
@testing thanks, good to know. Sharkey wasn't really on my radar at all so it's interesting that it's the one closest to federating with us.
Hey, good to see you around. As you may have noticed, propl starting !cineseries@jlai.lu as a replacement community to talk about movies in French!
Honestly, a pinned post linking to the “big” community would go a long way. Basically just “this community is abandoned. Go try [active community] instead.” But that would require the mods of those smaller communities to actually cede mod power to the larger ones. And if you know anything about online mods, you know that’ll never happen.
Yeah, which is why I think it needs to be an admin thing. It's posted automatically, but hey the mod can always remove it and keep the community going. But from what I see... 90% of them haven't logged in in months and probably wouldn't even notice. They log in again and want to pick it up again? Just remove the pinned post
@PM_Your_Nudes_Please or they could just simply delete the communities.
But abandoned communities tend to have absent mods. That's why the Lemmy devs need to introduce a mechanism for adopting them, like we have at Kbin.
We not only desperately need "multilemmys," the implementation needs to go further than R*ddit did by making them public and maybe even by automatically creating ones for communities in different instances with the same name by default (but allowing mods to opt out).
@grue you really do. We (kbin) got multis yesterday and it feels like a gamechanger.
Even just with what's happened in one day, visiting other people's public multis is already showing the potential for discoverability.
That's great news!
I know you mean well op, but you are asking for people to make /another/ dead community. the communities didn't work out. most won't. it's okay, that's true on reddit too. essentially:
eventually, if there is a community big enough to survive, it'll find a home just fine.
but you are asking for people to make /another/ dead community.
No he's not. He's asking for people to pick one of the several existing communities on a topic to post in, and lock the others.
In other words, to do like the food-related communities did a month ago.
Wow, that's a lot of consolidated communities
I see your point, and I agree that it would be nicer to just have to follow one community instead of a million smaller ones. There's always cross-posting. When you make a post and there are several communities for the same thing, post on the smallest one and then cross post it on the other ones.
Each community has a reason to exist, maybe different rules and different moderators. It's up to them to arrange a merge or the admins to archive inactive communities.
I’ve seen posters get loads of shit for sharing stuff on every community though.
People always get angry about it in the comments and complain about being spammed.
In fairness I think that's because people make multiple posts rather than just using the crosspost feature. But some mobile apps don't have crosspost yet, so here we are.
@li10 really? I've not seen that yet.
If my feed gets clogged I just block the oversharers. They tend to be the types who won't engage in the comments anyway.
Yeah, the different rules and base community are going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people.
But open communication, cross-posting (manual or automated) can sort out these situations.
Each community has a reason to exist, maybe different rules and different moderators.
This. No one is making anyone follow small communities. You can see by their stats what they are going to be like.
So what you're saying is all these communities should centralise into one big community
Video games are another big one.
I always favor !games@sh.itjust.works rather than !games@lemmy.world, but I know some people think the opposite.
At the moment, it's mostly a debate between people wanting to centralize content on LW, and people who prefer it on another well-known instance.
I'm guilty of that with !moviesandtv@lemm.ee and !movies@lemmy.world.
But to be fair, games and movies and general interest, all the communities seem to be doing well, even if split.
As much as I hate the bot content on principle, communities that either repost reddit or scrape some other aggregator at least have enough content for a community to begin to form around it. There just aren't enough posters anywhere.
I'm just trying to find some subs for my favorite games that have more than 2 post from 2 months ago.
I had a quick look at the 3 you quoted, and they all seem equally dead, with all the mods either missing or even banned.
If you are interested in reviving it, feel free to select one, request its moderation to the admins of that instance, then post on all of the others to let people know that you are reviving the other.
!cooking@lemmy.world had a similar discussion a few weeks back when they noticed they were spread too thin, with !recipes@lemmy.world for instance. You can see now that !recipe is locked, and has a pinned post to redirect to !cooking
Agreed; that does seem like an issue right now. For example, I like watches. And while there is - A - watches community, there’s also niches for expensive, affordable, mechanical, vintage, etc. We’re really not at the level of content where it makes sense to fragment it that much. I’d rather see all those posts rolled into one community until you reach enough of them to justify the split.
I’ll be doing my part to generate some content, but it’ll take a concerted effort to grow things.
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