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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Datacenters getting terror attacks in 3...

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Shut them all down

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

High gas prices killing AI was not on my bingo card but it is funny as fuck.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 56 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Gas prices should increase the cost of running data centers but when did AI ever need a profitable business model

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 35 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Data centers in Silicon Valley stand empty, awaiting power

One of the more curious artifacts of the recent surge in data center construction has been filling these megaliths with hardware and then... not plugging them in. Either because turning them on would flatten the local electrical grid or because they're loss-leaders for which data cycles only cost the company money.

So you've got this multi-billion dollar paper asset that wows investors while it gathers dust. And then you go off to build another one, because people will fling their unlimited borrowing power at you to reap another quarter of double-digit growth in speculative valuation.

[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It's okay, Trump signed that executive order telling them to provide their own power for data centers. Which means now our tax dollars won't just be used for data centers, they'll be used for power plants too. Another executive order or two and we'll see company towns come back.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Which means now our tax dollars won’t just be used for data centers, they’ll be used for power plants too.

Sure... maybe...

Part of the problem with power plant construction is that our production capacity is largely maxed out. If you want a new gas power plant, you go on a waiting list that's two years long (conservatively). Wind and Solar production are also at their domestic limit. Nuclear continues to be a pipe dream.

And, again, it cannot be overstressed that turning on a data center means a net-negative cash flow. These facilities cost more to operate than they earn, even under a ludicrously generous state contract. Why would you want to power them on these terms?

[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Hence the sarcasm dripping from my statement.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I think some people look at this arrangement and say "This is unsustainable, the cards have to come down at some point", because it is a fucking stupid way to run an economy.

But, like... the money keeps flowing. And it keeps flowing because the Fed and the Treasury are implicitly backstopping the malinvestment. And their pockets are functionally endless.

I wish you could just roll your eyes and make these abhorrent economic decisions stop. But I'm afraid these people might legit die trillionaires without a regret in the world (other than failing to solve Immortality Science with an LLM), because we've stacked the economic deck so high up in their favor.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The pockets might be endless, but if you keep pulling stuff out without something real going in you end up pulling out handfuls of lint and nothing else.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

LintCoin's value is through the roof, though. You'd be a fool not to hand them all your boring old American dollars.

And don't even get me started on TulipCoin.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

It’s gonna be company towns with only 8 or 9 residents though. And only 2-3 will actually go into the data center.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 7 points 22 hours ago

The power companies will just raise residential rates and cut the AI costs.

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 44 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

This might age poorly, but wishful thinking, I think.

Nothing about the "AI" speculative bubble is likely to be impacted by the war in Iran.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 29 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

oil skyrocketing in price and the economy and stock market taking a huge hit could cause the investments required to prop up the bubble to run out of steam

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

The parts of the ~~economy~~ stock market that would be heavily impacted by oil prices are already in the gutter.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The parts of the economy that would be heavily impacted by oil prices

Literally all of it. https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06/oilpricesinflation.asp

are already in the gutter.

You're not wrong. Does not refute my claim though.

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Segregate the market into "AI" and "non-AI" segments for simplicity.

Looking at the thousand or so "investors" who's money matters at this scale, there's no point in selling "non-AI" stock to fund "AI" investments already, these markets are already low. Adding the Iran war to that isn't changing anything. More likely, they are borrowing against existing "AI" stock and reinvesting that (oversimplification, but speaking broadly). Additionally, one of the big sources of these loans is Saudi Arabia, which benefits from the higher oil prices.

The only other way in which oil prices impact "AI" is through energy costs, which impacts the immediate profitability of "AI", which "investors" have shown they are unconcerned with.

Or, to simplify,

Nothing about the "AI" speculative bubble is likely to be impacted by the war in Iran.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

the economy and stock market taking a huge hit

Two things that have also failed to manifest, in large part thanks to the prolific state spending following COVID.

Keep in mind, the event that really knocked over the tower of cards in 2008 was Greenspan's decision to raise interest rates (very sharply) in 2007. Trump's very obviously not going to do that. If anything, he's been working overtime to get interest rates lower, because he knows cheap money = high (raw) GDP growth and low unemployment.

What we're seeing isn't recessionary. It's a glacial shift in the economic priorities of the US, from a post-Reagan titanic banking juggernaut to a post-COVID more-WW2-style global arms depot. The US economy increasingly makes cops and bombs and machines that assist cops and bombs. And there's no recognized upper limit for demand on these goods and services. Not under current geopolitical conditions, anyway.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Two things that have also failed to manifest, in large part thanks to the prolific state spending following COVID.

We're still only 3 days into this war. And yet this is already manifesting right now in real life as we debate it on the internet. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live/stock-market-today-dow-sp-500-nasdaq-sink-while-oil-prices-jump-as-iran-attacks-jolt-markets-235000934.html

Trump’s very obviously not going to do that.

Yes, agreed, this is very obvious. Because Trump does not have control over the interest rates.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We’re still only 3 days into this war.

The second big Iran-Israel conflict in less than a year.

And yet this is already manifesting right now in real life as we debate it on the internet.

Ah yes. A total nosedive of 0.30%.

This is the Uno-Reverse "Why you complaining when the DOW is over 50,000!" line. Any token sell-off gets reported on like it's Black Friday.

Because Trump does not have control over the interest rates.

He's lining up his pick to replace Powell as we speak.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'll come back to this in 4 weeks. See you then 😉

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You gotta at least give yourself a full Friedman Unit.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

I wouldn't take any kind of advice from Friedman...

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Why would a war with Iran cause oil prices to skyrocket?

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] village604@adultswim.fan 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The prices are what they were in January, according to the article.

[–] heartbreaker@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago

The article is from yesterday, the prices went from 65$ to 70$ compared to yesterday. Not huge, but an increase.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 22 hours ago

They already are.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

If anything, department of war spending on AI might prolong the bubble.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

Nah, the DoD contract is also very likely running at a loss, like every other subscription.

[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 22 hours ago

Makes you wonder if that was the idea. They used AI in the Venezuela attack, too.

There's also the betting market that Trump is very friendly towards, and we've already seen bets on military strikes pop up days before anyone knew about it, so someone's making money on insider info.

[–] VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 2 points 18 hours ago

Meme feels like

  1. Steal underpants. . .
  2. Profit!
[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 8 points 19 hours ago

Praying for the burst 🙏

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 7 points 19 hours ago

Too many steps until then.

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago

"What the f? we can't even use this to kill children efficiently??" - when Sam Altman's WarGPT fails to prove itself

everything they like (oversized pick-up trucks, semi automatic rifles, alcohol) are used to kill children more efficiently than their alternatives

[–] GorGor@startrek.website 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry, but it really bugs me that the small domino is a fucking war. While the big domino is depicted here as the AI bubble bursting.

At a minimum, it's a * poor use of the meme *, but really the priorities are just way out of whack.

*edit

[–] heartbreaker@sh.itjust.works 10 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I hereby formally apologize for the inaccuracy in my shitpost🧐

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I think it's more like sending a second out of control train to catch the first one. There's no doubt eah train will crash, and that it will be bad, but now we have more variables as to which will crash first and how bad, with the exciting new possibility of each making each other worse than they would have been.

[–] denial@feddit.org 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Don't let Trump do anything, if you can help it

[–] felsiq@piefed.zip 1 points 22 hours ago

Including breathe

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I've had "AI Bubble Burst" on my bingo card since 2023.

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The thing is, the AI bubble is mainly a big fucking bet.

The bet is, that the new data centers will bring us AGI or even ASI.

As long as they haven't tested that theory it's unlikely that the bubble will burst - they just put too much money in there to fold now. It's "all in" for AI companies.

They hope that AI will take over most white collar work, and with robotics later most work overall.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

I have a bad feeling the MIC might prop up the bubble. It's been the US's "economy up" move for decades

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip -4 points 15 hours ago

I know this is a shitpost but damn, anti-AI dudes are really out here hoping that the killing of Iranians results in AI imploding