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McCoy would have just nuked those assholes, which wouldn’t be an issue because I guarantee he would have pushed Wesley to suicide by then.
"However, we might make an exception since he was unaware of..."
"No, no, rules are rules!"
"honestly Captain it was obviously just a misunderstanding Wesley is free to-"
Ppssffshhhzap
"Rules sir, are rules"
I really liked this episode.
It is a great philosophical thought experiment: What if a perfect paradise existed, where everyone and everything is perfect. But only one type of punishment: the death penalty.
Would you want to live there?
No, because any place like that cannot be a perfect paradise.
Fuck no! Walking on eggshells as it is, the only perfect paradise, is wherever I cannot interact with anyone. No one to interact with: no one to offend, or wrong.
I'd listen to just AI.
If I were in the ST universe, my life would probably just be about getting energy that I would use to power my holodeck and maybe one of those external ones, too, to hide my presence on some planet whose geothermal energy I've tapped or whatever. Just make my own paradise until I get bored of it.
Prime directive yada yada yada bye Wesley
I was pretty sick the first time I saw this episode as a teen - all I really remember is they stepped onscreen in those outfits and I spent the next five minutes laughing so hard I started coughing up blood then passed out. My god, the costume design on this one still brings a tear to my eye, what were they thinking.
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Are they tucked??
"Gene Roddenberry was a sex pest for making women wear miniskirts."
meanwhile ^ ^ ^ ^
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I don't know, it's gonna be pretty hard to milk a rock, no matter how many nipples you got.
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It's a very Roddenberry design.
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What's with the hate Wesley gets? I didn't find his character to be detestable. At least not as much as the ferengi ds9 kid.
The internet hating on Wil Wheaton / Wesley Crusher is such an old bit that it has its own momentum and is no longer rooted in anything. Picard yelling “shut up Wesley” is such a meme that people shout this at Mr. Wheaton in public. He’s written about it a lot.
But it is also true that his character was an odd fit: very on-again / off-again as a member of the cast, poorly costumed, and deliberately written as a kind of whiny genius-boy who gets in trouble but always saves the day. Some people found this one of the less enjoyable parts of the show.
...i liked wesley but alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die was still funny...
What's with the hate Wesley gets?
I don't hate Wesley, I just love to laugh at how bad Picard and Wesley's relationship is in season one.
In early episodes of any show, there's stuff that doesn't turn out to work for the characters.
But Picard/Wesley is such a bold dynamic that doesn't work for either character, never gets resolved, and goes nowhere.
Then later, it gets retroactivelymuch weirder, because the show "Picard" 100% confirms that Picard was sleeping with Wesley's mother, at some point, and by implication, even during their uncomfortable season 1.
So Picard, already an absolute picture of calm reasoned negotiation - just sometimes randomly goes off on one young cadet whose mother he happens to be banging.
It's weird. It doesn't make any sense in the broader later canon, and it makes me laugh every time I think about it.
Considering Wesley was Gene Roddenberry's self-insert character, I think the idea was to establish that as brilliant as Picard is, there's still someone who can get his goat by virtue of just being that special.
Considering Wesley was Gene Roddenberry's self-insert character, I think the idea was to establish that as brilliant as Picard is, there's still someone who can get his goat by virtue of just being that special.
That makes sense. It could have been an interesting dynamic, if they had committed to it and followed through on growing their relationship from bad to good.
I suspect the "everything must reset in case these episodes air out of order" effect can't have helped with making it work.
And then also, it's just hilarious that Picard is that far into his career, and an enlightened 24th century man, and still occasionally just "punches down" at his girlfriend's kid who isn't even an ensign. Haha.
They wrote him to be cheap drama to give Stewart something to work with instead of just being a toned down, professional Shatner. We were all going to take the Captains side, seeing him as annoying as the Captain did. From the sounds of Wheaton's book, he really wasn't treated all that well by the show runners for being as young as he was. It's kind of shitty to write a young kid in to be the conflict in a well respected characters arc.
I honestly wouldn't have watched Star Trek TNG if I hadn't randomly scrolled through the channels and seen a boy my age on a spaceship.
So regardless of how well written or acted the character is, I'm always really grateful! (But I recognize that's probably a pretty niche situation compared to what other Trekkies feel)
Both Wesley and Nog(?) were written as a 'look kids, a cool kid to relate to' character. Which was very forced and off putting.
And many young people watching the show resented those characters for being the kid who got to live Star Trek, which was of course their own fantasy.
Both Wesley and Nog started out with rough writing. Once their characters build out, they improve. Nog moreso, being part of a serialized show.
Having watched TNG without being influenced by the community. I agree that his character starts pretty obnoxious, but I always got the sense that the point of his character was that his inclusion on the ship as a kid raised by this future world was just as "alien" as Data or Worf. Then again, it was also obvious that he occasionally got completely brain bonked for some episodes in order to make him the naive child of the group.
In early development, Dr Crusher originally had a daughter named Leslie Crusher. The point of that character wasn't very well-defined before she was turned into a brilliant male wunderkind named Wesley by a man whose full name was Eugene Wesley Roddenberry. In other words, the point of the character was that an aging egomaniac wanted a self-insert character whose traits are that he's special, he's a genius, and that he's frequently misunderstood and let down by all the dolts who surround him.
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Nog makes Wesley look like fucking'... Shaft!
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