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[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm surprised no one has identified the core issue here: local restrictions - NIMBYs. A National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) / NMHC study found that government regulations across all levels (fees, permitting, compliance) account for 40.6% of multifamily development costs on average nationally.

Once a person owns a home in a location, restricting supply means their home goes up in value, and their neighbourhood stays as cozy as it is today. This is why Georgism (championed by every notable economist for more than a century) is the only way we solve this. A land value tax aligns individual incentives with best social outcomes. People are much more reluctant to sit on unused land if they're being charged 5% per year in tax. They build up. They aggressively lobby their local politicians to make it as easy as possible to build. Supply booms.

This is a solved problem. It's not complicated. Austin did it. They cut regulation, developers went crazy building apartments, and rents keep dropping. Landlords have to compete to get tenants now, offering everything from 3 months free rent to gym membership and gift certificates.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago (12 children)

whats nuts is people want their homes to go up in value. You pay taxes based on home value. I want my home to be lagging behind everything in the area im not cheering everything getting more expensive. Its like are all these people flipping every two years???

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yup, it sounds like that was the article's conclusion too, although it's paywalled.

This is why Georgism (championed by every notable economist for more than a century)

You're talking about a period starting in the 1700's, right? The way you've worded that implies it's modern. A land value tax is also a different thing, and will not change the amount of land.

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[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A median house price and median salary should also be calculated, those datas aren't very useful without understanding the economic condition of the people

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The graph is change in real prices that means inflation / cost of living adjusted. The anglophone countries would need to see equivalent real wage growth to make it just about salaries, which as far as I know they haven't.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Same reason we can't build high speed rail, have to get approval by every property owner rich enough to hire a lawyer to build anything here.

[–] LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not that they can't build housing. It's that housing is bought up by private equity and Monopoly prices are set by the algorithm. There are no many vacant homes and apartments being kept vacant to drive up the cost.

Saying 'we need to build more houses and deregulation is the key' only serves the oligarchy

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How many vacant homes are there, exactly? What does the trend look like? People always say this, but the last half dozen times I checked, vacancy rates in the US (which is always what people are talking about) were falling.

"Deregulation is the key" is an absolute straw man. We need regulation to enforce the building of affordable housing, and to prevent local authorities from refusing all housing projects due to capture by NIMBYs

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Local authorities being able to deny building housing with a snap of their fingers is a form of regulation. The paradigm of regulation should shift to work faster and deny all objections without real substance.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Sure. But that isn't "deregulation" as the person above said.

[–] IanTwenty@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The source article:

https://www.ft.com/content/dca3f034-bfe8-4f21-bcdc-2b274053f0b5

Archived:

https://web.archive.org/web/20241002175430/https://www.ft.com/content/dca3f034-bfe8-4f21-bcdc-2b274053f0b5

Three distinct factors are at work here...

...a shared culture that values the privacy of one’s own home

...the planning regimes in all six anglophone countries are united in facilitating objections to individual applications

...Anglophone planning frameworks give huge weight to environmental conservation, yet the preference for low-density developments fuels car-dependent sprawl and eats up more of that cherished green and pleasant land.

The author's conclusion:

Ultimately, whether the goal is tackling the housing crisis, protecting the environme or boosting productivity, the answer to so many woes in the English-speaking world is to unburden ourselves of our anti-apartment exceptionalism.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you! Does anyone have a way around the paywall?

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This completely and utterly ignores the capitalist pressures that also hit building materials. Just look at wood prices in the US. Prices have skyrocketed outside of the housing supply as well.

TL;DR: Capitalism is cancer on anything required to live, including the vast supply chain for such goods.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That doesn't explain why some nations are functioning better under capitalism than others though.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because they put limits on capitalism.

It is not all or nothing.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sure but what are the specific policies that explain this specific pattern? That's what I'd like to know. Just writing it off as capitalism bad doesn't help, even if it's true.

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[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Here in Denmark we rank higher than the U.S. in ease of doing business. We don't have a minimum wage and it's super easy to fire people. We capitalism harder than America. On the other hand, we offer great safety nets and social services (paid for with high taxes), because we acknowledge that businesses do different things to the state.

I don't think the issue is limiting capitalism. If anything, unleashing capitalism results in competition and amazing products and services. Our tiny nation is a world leader in pharmaceuticals and shipping. Where I think we get it right is ensuring people don't fall through the cracks. Being temporarily unemployed can be hard to navigate and we help people when that happens. We provide free healthcare so no one needs to try to work while sick. We provide free education so that we can specialise in a competitive world. Because people aren't desperate for work, they're able to better negotiate with employers. They can turn down shitty offers and shitty employers. This leads to great workplace conditions for most people and high wages.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

They’re welcome to buy wood from us Canadians.

Though we are pretty terrible at housing too. Every affordability measure is met with generations taught that their home will be their retirement, who do not want to see prices go down.

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[–] Mika@piefed.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

One reason is that people want houses and it's not sustainable. Large cities need to go up and living in apartment in a high rise should be a norm.

The problem in the word itself even - housing.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Another factor is that people are living separately from their extended families and change what type of building they live in at different points in their lives, for example:

  • Single adult - rented flat or small house.
  • Couple - rented larger flat, bought small house.
  • Couple with kids - trying not to rent, buying larger house
  • Couple with adult children - no longer need the space, buy smaller house

People also like to have gardens and pets, which is easier in a house than a flat. Ownership is also a factor, owning a flat doesn't make much sense when you have to pay ground rent and a mortgage.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

One reason is that people want houses and it’s not sustainable.

Well, it's been sustainable for centuries. It's not sustainable if we require constant and explosive population growth for the economy, but I'm not sure I want that. I agree it's more efficient for people to live in tiny apartments in tall buildings. I just think there is more to life than efficiency. I question the economic imperative to have such massive population growth. I don't think we would need to cram into ever smaller spaces with ever diminishing green areas if we restructured our economies.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For centuries before, living in a single house with children of all ages and grandparents was a norm. American boomers is an outlier, not a norm.

Apartments don't have to be small. It's more efficient to stack apartments vertically if you want to build a city. And in the recent years people want to move to the cities cause of socio-economic changes.

Want to live in the house? Move to the village. Want a house in the city? Pay a premium.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

TBH maybe our culture took a wrong turn there. Everyone is lonely, parents are stressed with no support network to help them and we can't afford shit.

Don't get me wrong, some families are shit, but then there's also a concept of found family now that could fill that gap.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

That's fair: we used to live in smaller dwellings. I kind of like that we have more space now.

Apartments don't have to be smaller than homes, but that's exactly what happens everywhere that becomes more dense.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago

I’d blame Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and their disciples on both sides of the Atlantic. Not sure if a legal system based on Roman civil law/the Napoleonic code would have slowed neoliberalism or whether it’s merely correlated with the cultural divide between the former British Empire and continental Europe.

Also, isn’t Singapore a common law jurisdiction with a solid state-backed programme of building housing?

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So the supply has gone up, and the price has gone up. 🤔 Sounds like a gatekept bubble.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The left graph literally shows supply not going up proportionately.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

On further review, I realize the year timelines at the bottoms of the left and right graphs aren't the same. Terrible visualization.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh shit, I didn't notice that either. Nasty.

So the right graph actually gives no useful information whatsoever.

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[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Or... These are very different places with different constraints.

For example, the US is comprised of 50 states - construction has to meant federal, state, county, municipality codes, and then any federal or state agencies that have a say on construction possibly affecting water ways, natural habitat, etc.

The bureaucratic process is staggering.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

For example, the US is comprised of 50 states - construction has to meant federal, state, county, municipality codes, and then any federal or state agencies that have a say on construction possibly affecting water ways, natural habitat, etc.

Sounds like Germany.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Right, and maybe civil law is better at fighting bureaucracy and graft than common law.

right and other countries don't have national/regional/local independent governing bodies?

fucking American brainrot, thinks America is special and inique and that justifies it being shite.

the only things special about the US is that the country is shite, and the population are mostly ignorant sheep.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The right hand graph only covers, like, the last 10-15% of the left hand graph. If this was really a supply issue, then you'd expect to see a divergence starting back in the 1980s, not just the last decade.

There's so much spread in the 'civil law' countries that it's hard to call this compelling evidence for supply-driven housing crisis. Definitely something different between the common & civil law groups, but it's not supply. Or not just supply.

Not trying to back any specific side here, but the divergence at 2013 is because they're using a difference in price relative to Q1 2013 (so near 2013 it will always be close to zero). If you used 2015 or something the right graph would still look similar. We don't know if such a divergence is present since the 1980s since no data is presented (making it an unhelpful comparison).

It would also be good to see more countries included, and the actual lines labeled for which country they are. Overall I would say this graphic doesn't provide adequate information to back up its claim.

Also as Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe said above, different counties have different markets, policies, economies, etc. making it hard to make generalizations.

[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've went down the YouTube rabbit hole on this.

My favorites have been dirt-inspired builds utilizing technology found in the animal Kingdom beyond humans. Termites are often cited.

Buildings that have natural AC regardless of the season and mostly passively. Ventilation structure that encourages heat sink/release.

And many are made of just dirt, which seems pretty smart. Enormous insulation values. Endless supply.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The trick with that kind of construction is that while nice, it's really slow and expensive to build. At least right now, and in a way that's finished and well-lit enough for people to accept.

Wood frame is dominant in North America because it's really cheap and fast. In the UK it's brick, because it's second best without using wood they don't have nearby.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Interesting. It's weird how all over the place civil law jurisdictions are in the right graph - some have seen the same price increase anyway, while Italy has seen them actually go down.

Does it have to do with how those dwellings are being used in different cultures, maybe?

Edit: They're on totally different scales, d'oh. So it actually means nothing.

[–] gnuthing@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Tbf in the US at least, we don't actually need to build any homes. We have more than enough vacant homes to house everyone

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago

I'm choosing to believe this is just a weird expression of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis.

Pros of English: cool words like petrichor Cons: cognitive bias against construction

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