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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by inari@piefed.zip to c/memes@lemmy.world
 
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[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 103 points 2 months ago (8 children)

People already put rent on their credit card to pay it off in chunks. This is just Klarna tapping in that market

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago (3 children)

People already put rent on their credit card to pay it off in chunks. This is just Klarna tapping in that market

People using CC to pay rent isn't reassuring, it's more alarming. Paying for housing on short-term, high-interest credit is financial insanity and implies profound dysfunction if not desperation.

[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well if you don’t pay they can evict you very fast. So if you need the money yesterday you have to accept 12%pa

[–] Gap@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Hence the implied desperation

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the intention was to get the points. But, I'm sure some are not as diligent as they should be.

[–] Zorcron@piefed.zip 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You get charged a 3% transaction fee for using a credit card, which more than wipes out the value of any points you might earn.

Tap for spoiler(Excluding the Bilt card, which used to let you earn 1% on rent and they processed it like an ACH/bank debit, so no credit card fee. But they recently restructured their rewards and it’s not nearly as easy to profit now.)

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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I tend to forget that salaries are paid weekly in the US. Then this makes at least somewhat sense.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not typically. Every other week is more common.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, I’m used to monthly, both for rent and for salaries. So biweekly is still strangely often to me.

But thanks for correcting me.

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Monthly or biweekly are both common in the US for salaries. And biweekly being the most common for hourly. Really just depends on your employer.

But, bills always come in monthly, which makes the monthly budgeting simple. A biweekly bill would fuck over a bunch of people as occasionally it would hit three times in a month.

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A ton of property management companies charge like 3-5% “convenience” charge for using a credit card, meaning even with cash back you lose some money.

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

bro. Fucking -- Think about it. Klarna pay in 3 installments divide the cost by 3 and take payments monthly. Month A, you pay one third. Month B you pay one third of months A and B. By month C onwards you're consistently paying three thirds or 100% of the rent. You'd only defer yourself the value of one month's rent over the span of two months. Pointless.

[–] cdf12345@lemmy.zip 63 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s how fucked our economy is. There is a significant number of people so close to the edge that buying an extra 10 days before eviction is the final gasp before becoming homeless.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes. Previously the alternative was payday loans, which charged exorbitant interest rates.

People have tried to ban these sorts of predatory loan businesses before but it usually forces people into the hands of organized crime loan sharks who charge even more exorbitant interest and exact brutal punishments on people who don’t pay up.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They should be illegal. The literal only difference between these ‘services’ and the mob is they typically don’t break your knees.

But that’s not the only despicable thing about the mafia’s racket.

These people squeeze the last blood from people who often become homeless anyhow; whereas if landlords had souls, many people could at least keep their housing and not be so vulnerable to predators.

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[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

That's how you keep score in bowling.

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[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 65 points 2 months ago
[–] rogsson@piefed.social 56 points 2 months ago

Dystopian fucking timeline. Around every corner there seemingly waits billionaires waiting to fuck ppl over

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yet more proof that "richest country in the world" doesn't mean what Americans think it means.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

It means they have the most rich people to devour if they would just get off of their asses.

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[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"Can't pay rent? Don't worry we have an even more humiliating solution for you!"

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Can't pay your monthly rent? We can pay it for you with a monthly payment schedule.

[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Klarna 'bout to find out their business model doesn't work as well in the US compared to the Nordic countries and EU, as

  1. People are already up to their neck in debt, putting Klarna to the back of the queue in case there's a default
  2. Personal bankruptcy is a thing

Especially the Northern Europe personal bankruptcy is really not a thing, fuck up your finances and you're never going to see a penny you make (above what you strictly need to live) until everything has been paid back. Debt that is actively being collected also never expires.

There's a good reason Klarna's been able to thrive in this environment – getting debt from banks is quite difficult and you have added security from the draconian collections process.

In the US a company ignores credit scores at their own peril. The bankruptcy process is one of the few things that works better in the US than in e.g. my home country Finland.

[–] needanke@feddit.org 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Klarna is a thing in Germany as well and personal bankruptcy absolutely is a thing here [https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/geld-versicherungen/kredit-schulden-insolvenz/privatinsolvenz-in-3-jahren-schuldenfrei-11417] so I don't know if your second point is that relevant. I'd agree on the first one though.

[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Serves me right for assuming Germans had a similarly judgemental attitude to people who have ruined their finances. Thanks for the correction.

Finns often have a very puritan attitude to debt (you should fear it like the devil), and in the common discussion it's often attributed to the ethics of the Lutheran church. That's at least partially the reason we still don't have a real personal bankruptcy option. Somewhat surprising to me that a country that shares that value system could be that forgiving to people – I'm a bit envious even 😅

Around here Klarna and other similar companies have long been seen as exploiting the fact that debt is really difficult to get through proper sources, and there's a matching draconian bunch of collections agencies to support that business model. We've mainly been trying to tackle this by regulating the process of giving out loans, instead of giving people the necessary way out and thus giving the corporations an incentive to self-regulate.

If bad credit is actually no longer possible to collect on, it ceases to be good business. Hats off to Germany for having a proper route out of predatory loans.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Rent money to rent apartment

Great idea

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I'm no Maoist but those 'land reforms' are starting to sound pretty good right now.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How much later? Can I get 50 years on that cause I'm gonna take that option.

[–] RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Sell 100-year bonds to Klarna and use the money to pay your installments.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Financing is bad at the best of times.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 24 points 2 months ago (7 children)

No, it's not. Financing is a great tool, and used wisely and with knowledge of interest rates and total cost, can elevate you quite a bit in life.

This however is predatory lending, and it should not be used ever.

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[–] ideonek@piefed.social 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Richest nation in the world.

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[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The “free market” at work, folks.

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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Could I get a loan to help me pay a klarna instalment?

How deeply can we dig this hole?

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I knew a guy in college that kept getting new credit cards to pay off other credit cards he had maxed out. I wonder what his credit looks like now.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

you are not gonna believe what the banks did in 2008

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago

coming soon: Americans are fucking drowning in debt

neofeudalism here we come!

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

Gatekeeping basic necessities behind paywalls is economic violence.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My dad paid 140k to buy a lot and build a house about 25-30 years ago. It's back up for sale...$475k. in that time, minimum wage went from $5.15 an hour to $7.25 in that save time frame.

People are still working 40+ hour weeks, and healthcare is somehow costs MORE, along with everything else.

I don't fucking think immigrants had anything to do with any of that.

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

The best system in the world everyone!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Wiggling another jenga block out of the tower.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Those who made Usury mainstream now control the western world and bomb people who still don't do Usury.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this just a mortgage without the equity?

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So what happens if you keep leveraging klarna on klarna on klarna and then just buy a van, skip the bill, and go off grid?

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Your face gets put on Smoobly, the bounty hunting app.

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