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Is it any good? How did they handle the New Vegas stuff? Is Yes Man my beloved in it?

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

I stopped watching after episode 6 because it was so boring and contrived.

Season 1 was still slop but it wasn't boring, the action sequences in this show are so slow that I really had to skip around.

The character writing also dropped off dramatically from season 1.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's good. They treat new Vegas poorly, which is annoying, but the show itself is good and does interesting things with the lore. It is obvious Todd Howard ordered them to shit on the ncr to spite me personally because I once cut him off on the highway.
But the show is good.

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[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Honestly the way they treat the NCR is weird. I say this as a controversial critical supporter of the NCR.They valorize them they were Numenor or something. In the flashbacks they seem like utopia with fresh food growing, open street libraries, light rail etc.

Every single NCR survivor seems genuinely decent, the stay behind rangers give the ghoul and Lucy guns and medicine for free. The people in the mutant vault from NCR are very wholesome.

Crowds cheer for the NCR in New Vegas when Maximus wears the NCR Ranger/Riot Power Armour. Lucy defends the NCR to her father as only "vaguely problematic" in comparison to Caesars legion.

The approach seems like these guys were too pure and good to survive the harsh realities of the wasteland, where some random vaulttec fuck will nuke you.

Instead of hey it's a bourgeois democracy with all the contradictions and issues of the old world recreated in miniature.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah it's part of my beef with it. I'm not mad it's not around, I'm mad why it's not around

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Got to agree I was hooting and hollering to have Maximus in that armor fighting deathclaws.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

THE BEAR ROARS! I was so hyped. Pure fanservice slop, but it got me. Saw someone say "that's probably the first time the armour felt like it fit him."
Maybe they're going for Maximus rebuilding the NCR? That would be pure great man slop, but I'd still drink that garbage.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I will admit the desert ranger armor is very cool, ngl

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

I'm still looking for a fan animation I saw about 4 months ago of the desert rangers storming a BoS bunker and being all around cool badasses. I thought it was Operation: Sunburst, but it's not, because that's just the NCR using human wave tactics :/

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What is your stance on the NCR? I figured them to neoliberal imperialists, and I don't personally like them. But I'd like to hear your opinion.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The NCR ingame is repeating the mistakes of old bourgeois democracies and is bound to turn out like they did. It was a good critique of our Western democracies, an investigation of how good intentions might still send a growing community down that path and how the contradictions of the system begin to emerge.

The NCR in the show is a flawed construction because of the things @XiaCobolt@hexbear.net describes and the issues I describe in my linked comment. Sorry about the spoilers from both of us. It is revealed early, but still.
I simp for the desert ranger Armor (especially the Survivalists variant, forgive me mama) however, so the scene in season 2 episode 7 was a real
soypoint-1leo-pointsoypoint-2 moment for me

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

My thoughtsSo laying the cards on the table, since the first Fallout my favorite faction has been the Followers of the Apocalypse. They're pretty much the best faction. The unambiguously best ending in Fallout New Vegas for them is the NCR ending. Even in Yes Man they get overwhelmed with causalities from the routine violence that occurs under a Yes Man regimen. So I started hold my nose and backing them.

But the more I thought about it I felt the NCR was the best ending of the 4, because Yes Man as an ending is only good IF the courier is some benevolent super-intelligent and charismatic dictator who hangs around enforcing the peace. And if you're engaging in that sort of magical headcanon-ing why can't an idolized War Hero Courier go back to the NCR and try to change things by any any means necessary? Electoral politics, military coup or revolution.

It's not great man theory, in the way Lenin wasn't a great man, but the right person at the right time could steer that new proletariat upset at Water Merchants and Brahmin Barons, win over the soldiers disillusioned by imperial misadventure and build something better.

I don't think the NCR as it is, is good, it's recreating capitalism right on top of the ruins of capitalism. But it's a good foundation for something better, unlike pretty much every major faction in the games (BoS, Unity, Caesar's Legion, Enclave, Institute, House etc). They're creating food, fresh water and industry needed to build a new society. Fertile ground for a socialist society to spring board off. Also in Fallout 2 and New Vegas a lot of the folk in the NCR are just genuinely decent folk trying to help and make do, their beaucrats and leaders suck, but the scientists, doctors, rangers, soldiers etc are all pretty decent.

And in any match up with NCR and the Legion, I back the NCR. Lenin came up with Revolutionary Defeatism during WW1 and it was the absolutely correct assessment for that moment. However a generation later socialists across the world had to struggle with the fight against fascism, where revolutionary defeatism was not up to the task. Bourgeois democracies had to be supported against fascism albeit momentarily to deal with the crisis. (there's something here too about how the western left has had to make the enemies of the American empire comparable to Nazis to justified foreign intervention, but Caesar's legions are actually fascistic and evil).

Also as a trans person I think the NCR is one of the few places I might if I was thrust into the setting have a chance of finding someone who can synthesis estrogen for me (which is probably the Followers but they've got more time to do that if they're not dealing with causalities).

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[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

Honestly the show has been vague enough that any of the endings could have happened and then gone wrong somehow.

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Anybody have a good piracy site to stream this from? Any time i wanna get into a new TV show, what i used to watch has been taken down.

Yes, i know, torrenting is a thing and i see the benefits, but i would really prefer streaming site recommendations.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Stremio with the torrentio add-on essentially is a Netflix-like UI to stream torrents you'd find in places like TPB or 1337x.

Sucks you can't seed it, but it's great for finding streams of almost any show

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

Moviego.me use ublock, etc.

lookmovie2 dot to, but use an adblocker

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First season was pretty good, in my opinion. This one feels disjointed, the narratives don't really flow. They are doing the thing of having 3 or more parallel storylines but also have flashbacks/historical cutaways, and so even though an episode might be 40 minutes or so "the story" only progresses 10 minutes. And the stories are only okay imo.

[–] catter@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

I do feel like by episode 6 of season 2 it seems to hit its stride, but the first half does a lot of gesturing at things you might remember from New Vegas without interacting with them much imo.

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[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

It is probably the best of the shows I'm currently pirating

[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Its fun show. Great for being based on a game.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could you put "no spoilers" in the title? I have the same question. I've been waiting until it's been broadcast to binge.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago
[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah it's pretty good.

Honestly I try my best not to analyze the "canon" too much with the show. Frankly the Fallout canon has always been kinda wonky.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't care if they mess with the canon as long as they keep the overall themes of "Manifest destiny, fascists, libertarians and jingoism are stupid actually"

Also cowboy robots please

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I was worried they were going to jerk off the brotherhood of steel. But they really show them to be a pack of petty and murderous chuds.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They do also jerk them off though, making them these invincible super soldiers (except when the ghoul meets them) who have seemingly infinite Prydwens. I'm still holding my breath for them showing Elder Maxson or whatever his name is. It could easily be a case of "no these are the bad brotherhood guys! He's a good guy!"

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

infinite Prydwens

The writers of this show have no fucking sense of scale

The NCR had like, territory that stretched beyond just one fucking city. But oh, one nuke in shady sands and the whole thing is fucked

Same with the legion, they were supposed to control like, east of the Colorado river? but in this show it seems like literally 100 guys jerking off having a civil war 12 feet away from each other

Then, yeah, they have like, 8 ffucking flying aircraft carriers

How many REGULAR aircraft carriers, severely limited in speed and maneuverability compared to one that fucking flies, does the U.S. have? Google says 11, with only 6 in use at a time

The BoS having all those fucking carriers would basically make them the GLOBAL super power unless some Chinese remnants are left with anything comparable

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Exactly my issue. If the NCR, a massive nation-state, can't even muster the labour necessary to supply clean water in it's capitol; then how the fuck does some group of constantly infighting nomadic fascists with more bullets than brains have the industrial capacity to supply not just one, but several, flying fortresses? The fuel is whatever due to sciencemagic, but food? Clothes? Armaments?

And if they have that, how the fuck was the NCR ever a threat to begin with? Or Caesars legion? Or the enclave for that matter?

The prydwen itself was a stupid addition to the game. I could excuse it for rule of cool, but several?

Okay, I can buy that. We're making a show/world were that kinda stuff doesn't matter. THEN HOW THE FUCK DOES THE NCR COLLAPSE FROM A SINGLE NUKE IN ONE CITY?? I thought that didn't matter?

It's that kinda stuff that makes me say it's clear Bethesda has a hard-on for the BoS and despises anything Obsidian for making people realise what fallout isn't.

The show is still good, it's just... It's very frustrating that the only good Fallout since New Vegas needs to shit on New Vegas.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree with all of that

Every single bit of media needs a factorio playing marxist, or someone whose special interest is some kind of spreadsheet videogame, who is also a fan of the source material, as a mandatory cultural commissar. This might sound like a joke but it isn't

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

In my utopia there's a civil engineer breathing down the neck of every author

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fair, though Kumail Nanjiani's Commonwealth BoS Envoy felt like a huge jerk too.

Also I agree the extra Prydwens are silly, but funny they immediately used them on each other in a civil war.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh right he was from that chapter, for some reason I'd thought he was from another. Yeah that guy does make it pretty clear they're fascist psychos. Also Kumail did a great job, he's awesome as a douchey jock with a little bit of nefarious mind beneath it all. Really sucks for the poor guy that he got shredded and mocked for it.

edit: The extra Prydwens are both silly and not silly. If the NCR they had shown had been an industrial powerhouse, then the Prydwens wouldn't have been such an issue, because we establish the world as one of scale. But when the NCR - who was the main antagonist for most of the BoS-factions - is depicted as a bunch of smallholding farmers, then an armada of airships make no sense. These guys were not only held back, but pushed out of territory by an idyllic version of small-town America? How? They've got airships out the ass and fuel to spare, meanwhile the capitol doesn't even have clean drinking water.
If they'd shown an NCR with power armor troopers getting it's ass handed to it because the central leadership was gone, then that would make sense. But this archaic remnant faction having the supply lines to launch major assaults, while their enemy seems like some rag-tag militia? Non-sensical.

I know I'm bitter, it's just... logistics get to me I guess. It annoys me when internal logic isn't holding up.
It is very funny and fitting that they just blast each other with those airships though.

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[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Legitimately the only show I have ever lost sleep over. It’s outstanding. I cannot WAIT for the season finale on Tuesday.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Btw

::: spoiler episode 7
Having seen the episode, I gotta say I don't think the Senator-lady was working for the enclave. She's being used as a mainframe by Hank because she was a genuine good person. He's "instilling ideas" into the people he's brainwashing, and that is run through the mainframe, somehow. I think it's her ideas and that's why her head is there.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

spoilerAh... that makes a bit more sense. My first reaction was torture/punishment for a good person (because cruelty is the lifeblood of the Fallout universe), to have a "shocking" revelation to the most ethically pure but naive character in the show, and to make it very clear that Lucy's choice might be the right one but her beliefs are going to be challenged again.

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