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Passengers who booked trips have been told refunds will be issued in monthly installments

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Life at Sea Cruises' first three-year sailing was announced in March and promised passengers willing to fork out at least $29,999 per year

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[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 126 points 11 months ago

Cruise ships really need to disappear if we are gonna keep this planet somewhat livable. Mega polluters.

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago

The problem isn't the ships it's the insane amount of diesel they suck down. We already run giant ships powered by nuclear reactors.

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Honest question: do the use diesel? A lot of big ships when they are not in a nation's waters burn bunker oil which is significantly worse.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

While googling this, it seems like there is an international cap on marine fuels for 0.5% sulphur.
https://www.cruisemapper.com/wiki/752-cruise-ship-engine-propulsion-fuel
A lot of ports and shipping areas require 0.1% sulphur content.

A lot of places I've read say things along the lines of "cruise ships run on diesel, specifically MDO or MGO".
E.g.
https://luxurytraveldiva.com/what-does-a-cruise-ship-use-for-fuel/

Here's a thing about MDO and MGO.
https://maritimepage.com/what-are-mgo-and-mdo-fuels-marine-fuels-explained/
MGO is 0.1% sulphur content.
MDO is 2% sulphur content.
For comparison, car diesel sulphur content is like 0.001%.
Best source I can find for bunker fuel is 3.5%. So, MDO/MGO are better than bunker fuel, I guess. Feels like a rebrand with minor improvements, so everyone can say "yeh, it's just diesel. Not bunker fuel".

But 2% MDO is still a 40% improvement over 3.5% bunker fuel.

Seems like there is a lot of changing and outdated information on this.
And it being related to international trading, laws and standards... There doesn't seem to be a reliable definitive source on it.

My takeaway is "yeh, it's not bunker fuel. It's diesel. But it's not diesel as we know it from driving cars, trucks, tractors and other plant"

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[-] Pipoca@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Cruise ships are pretty big polluters, yes. Cruise passengers have about 8x the emissions that they'd have from a comparable land-based vacation.

But when people talk about ship pollution, they're usually talking about non-carbon pollution.

For example, ships often burn heavy fuel oil, which produces tons of sulfur dioxide, which causes acid rain, and NOX, which depletes the ozone and causes smog and asthma.

Cruise ships are bad for the environment, but there's honestly bigger fish to fry. Gas power plants are way, way worse for the planet.

[-] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

It’s all bad. This isn’t a competition. It all needs to cease.

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[-] ganove@feddit.de 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Are you comparing power plants to cruise ships?

[-] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From the comparisons I've made in the past, they're also relatively cheap compared to land based vacations. For some reason, it's cheaper to make your hotel float.

Then there's places where ships are more inherent to the experience, like transiting the Panama canal, or coastal regions of Alaska or Norway. Places that are too remote to get to by most other means.

But fuck Caribbean cruises. That's a boat taking you from one tourist outdoor shopping mall to another.

[-] interceder270@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Nations won't stop using oil as long as it is economically viable.

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[-] blazera@kbin.social 114 points 11 months ago

Cruises oughta be banned for how polluting they are. Rich folks can have em back when theyve cleaned up their climate mess.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago

No they may not. We acknowledge they’re filthy, rife with noro and other viruses, and aside from other pollution, dump raw sewage into open water.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Acquaintance went on a cruise. I made "covid cruise" jokes before he left. Well he came back and guess what.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago
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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

when theyve cleaned up their climate mess.

Ah, a doe eyed optimist, I see.

This oligarch party ain't stopping until everything that can burn does. At this point hope is irrational, a side effect of rational despair.

No one tells the wealth class anything. They tell us, and we obey like good lil capital generating livestock.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

The old gods must die. Clash of the titans time.

[-] tankplanker@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Apart from the areas others have mentioned they are also absolutely terrible for the local environment due to the number of tourists they drop on an area. We should ban them for that alone

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[-] chicory@midwest.social 110 points 11 months ago

Refund paid in monthly installments seems like a huge red flag too…yikes. Hopefully these passengers can come out of this mostly okay at least.

[-] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago

Yeah that was my first thought. I'm willing to bet the company declares bankruptcy soon.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago

Seems like fraud to announce that close to leaving, the monthly payments on top makes it worse.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

Was wondering if I floated a bad thousand dollar check if my restitution would be allowed in monthly installments.

[-] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

(with a few extra steps) yes

Wage garnishment, repayment plans, etc. The difference is for you it typically requires litigation before you're "allowed" to. Technically it's probably the same for them if someone challenged it, but they have the benefit of litigation costing less than all the paid lump sums, where your proverbial thousand-dollar check would not.

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[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago

So they sold tickets to a cruise... But they didn't have the ship ready.

[-] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

It's worse even, they couldn't afford the ship. They claimed the sale was taking too long, when they couldn't afford it, and another company bought it out from under them.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 15 points 11 months ago

Larger companies do this often... but they build their own ships

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 61 points 11 months ago

Mmmm. What fun. Stewing in a disease-ridden floating money-sponge for three years. Marvellous.

[-] jasondj@ttrpg.network 49 points 11 months ago

Idk man. You go hang out on a cruise for a bit you will find some old people who have made cruising their entire retirement plan. Basically just staying on boats going from port to port until they die.

Which actually doesn’t sound all too bad. I’d think it’d get old after the first few weeks (I never heard Cupid Shuffle so many damn times in one week), but hey, whatever floats your boat.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 43 points 11 months ago

It's cheaper than a lot of retirement homes in America. Cruises outside of Caribbean voyages in peak season are like 90% retirees. It's a more viable option for a lot of people. If this 3yr cruise was a lot cheaper per day, it would make a lot of sense for them.

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 12 points 11 months ago

Plus if you tick that little box, you (your estate/ descendants) save on funeral fees with a ‘navy burial’ at sea. The cabin boy-things garb your corpse in whatever finest they discover in your wardrobe/suitcase and slip you off a Teflon-coated plank into the gentle deep and sharks.

[-] Ikelton@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Is this real? I know nothing about cruises, that seems so insane and yet so... Practical.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The article said $29k/yr, and cruise prices generally include food. That’s cheaper than living most places

[-] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Not my idea of a good time either but it was appealing to some people. Cruises are incredibly popular. I'd only go if it were free and I was unable to sell the ticket(s).

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 44 points 11 months ago

So… if I wanted to do a scam… and I’d sell tickets to a cruise ship for 3 years, upfront payment of $90k… let’s say I sell 2000 seats for $180mil.

Is that enough money to disappear forever and live under a false identity?

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I am legally required to say no.

~~yes tho~~

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Maybe, maybe not. But if you're paying back in monthly installments, there's still going to be a lot of interest for you to live off of in the meantime.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I’ll… pay it back. Promise.

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[-] wolfeh@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Why are we linking to a Fox News affiliate?

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

The article itself seems quite factual and straightforward. The comment section on the other hand…

[-] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

~~Is it just me or does 10k a year for full accommodations seem wildly cheap?~~

Fml I need coffee

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 31 points 11 months ago

Even at $30k per year it was ridiculously cheap. I have a friend of a friend that was going to do this for his retirement. $2500 per month for a room and board that allows you to spend your life sailing from port to port is actually a great deal, and if/when you need more medical care you simply move back off of the ship. The idea was that passengers could just buy another ticket and keep sailing for as many years as they wanted.

I called this one.

  1. It sounded too good to be true. I had a feeling that they wouldn’t launch and if they did it’d be a floating Fyre Festival except with senior citizens who would not be able to escape.
  2. Cruise ships are Petri dishes as it is. The idea of a cruise consisting of mostly elderly people who stay on board and mingle with crowds in the various ports of call sounds like a death cruise. Just imagine a viral outbreak on that ship that was killing passengers, resulting in a lockdown.
  3. It was basically someone watching Wall-E and deciding that the dystopian part was actually a pretty idea.
[-] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 11 months ago

$30k/year is what I saw...

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

To be fair, 2.5k a month is what some people spend on rent+food+utilities. Assuming all food onboard is paid for, it's sounds like an ok deal for someone who actually wants to temporarily live on a cruise ship and has the income/savings to pay for all of it upfront.

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[-] Fal@yiffit.net 16 points 11 months ago

Even 30k a year seems way cheap. Most of these "live at sea" "cruises" are orders of magnitude more expensive.

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Lmao this small business paper where I grew up just did a little blurb on a local executive "living at sea" for three years - article came out days after this was all canceled

https://www.google.com/amp/s/local12.com/amp/news/local/work-cruise-ship-cincinnati-exec-will-3-years-life-at-sea-cruises-clever-lucy-keri-witman-remote-ship

Womp womp

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