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[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 5 points 5 hours ago

Why do women wear burkas? Why hijabs? Are burkas a type of hijab? Idk where to read correct information on the topic.

Edit: Found cool facts:

What often goes unreported in the media is that Islam has historically championed women's rights. Women were granted the right to own property, choose their spouses, participate in public office, and pursue education—rights that were recognized by Islam long before they were embraced in the West. Islam promotes equality between men and women, abolishing practices like female infanticide and the treatment of women as property in 7th-century Arab society.

Throughout history, Muslim women have held influential positions as educators, healthcare professionals, warriors, and political leaders. Many Muslim-majority countries have elected women to high leadership roles, including female heads of state—an achievement yet to be realized in the United States.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I feel an increase in power level with me observing each instance of @vegeta1@hexbear.net using the thats-why-im-confused emoji

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 9 points 13 hours ago

Its my old ass trying to comprehend the world comrade. My mind can't keep up anymore. Maybe its the years of boxing and kickboxing i-cant

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Accidentally ended up on r/jewish cause I was googling to see if a creator I liked had said anything about palestine (he has, even before october 7th and even donated money to palestinian aid orgs like pcrf and unwra) and ofc these crakkkers are all shitting on him (who's also jewish), saying that the media has brainwashed the non-jewish left and "jews who wanna be part of the cool club" to hate all jews and to genocide them starting in pissrael and support palestine (lol sure buddy), unwra is teaching kids to want to kill every jew (def not israel giving them valid reasons to hate their occupiers and colonizers due to their own actions) and how "but what about ukraine!!" (we gotta center white people folks! especially ones who have gotten tons of economic support from the west and whose adversary has gotten sacntioned to hell and back) so yeah lmao these people are a lost cause. These people will hide behind their identity all day to never confront reality and will refuse to stop prioritizing their feelings over literal thousands of dead women and children. It's deadass infested almost every jewish site/org/whatever and they don't see how much antisemetism they're creating by saying opposing the mass slaughter of children is "antisemetic". If any muslim ethnic group did even 1/100th of this they'd be fucking wiped by literally all sectors of society, hell, any poc group but these people get a pass cause ig only their genocide matters and all others are just a fact of life. Fucking sick and tired of people who act like antisemetism is somehow more morally urgent than any other kind of bigotry and racism. White colonizers get your unwashed asses back tf to europe and stay there. But we can't have these convos even on hexbear and other supposed leftist places our you're literally hitler even tho you're not the one supporting the material conditions that are actively contributing to antisemetism, even tho we can say similar stuff about groups who collaborate with the west like kurds. Prolly cause they're not white majority. Fucking props to anti-zionist jews who have to deal with shit from all sides, I'm sorry. Sick and tired of westerners, unlimited genocide upon the first world.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

how "but what about ukraine!!" (we gotta center white people folks! especially ones who have gotten tons of economic support from the west and whose adversary has gotten sacntioned to hell and back)

A lot of zionists that cry "antisemitism" show their whole ass when they go and say shit like this. Time and again there are reports of noe-Nazis in the ranks of Ukraine's armed forces. Liberals keep saying "Azov is reformed, they aren't like that anymore" and yet Nazi symbology and naming conventions are still pervasive in the armed forces. Yet these are the smol bean heroes that need all of our unconditional support. Don't think Israel should be killing innocent men, women, and children? Wow, well now YOU are the antisemite.

An absolute fucking joke. What you said later "Whites are white before anything else coming up as real again" is on point.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago

It's hilarious they always use the ukraine gotcha, showing their whole nazi asses and this convo was started by a ukrainian jewish person cause ig history doesn't matter and the rabid antisemitism that was present in ukrainian society before 2022 and that the west had no issue recognizing back then suddenly went poof and got launched into every single palestinian toddler who not only want to kill all jewish people but are also rabid homophobes and deserve to be carpet bombed. "But you can't generalize all ukrainians" then stop basically generalizing all palestinians and putting your feelings over their lives, not that violent uprising should even be condemned by the colonized against colonizers but I digress. People who still cry about pissrael's existance being threatened (they have no right to exist in the first place, countless of ethnic group governed palestine before and after jewish people if you pull your head out of your eurocentric ass) as if Gaza and the West Bank aren't simultaneously being slowly colonized and annexed not to mention south Syria and maybe even south Lebanon again atp and jewish people being targeted as if palestinians and other arabs aren't dying everyday, deserve everything bad in life. We're in the bad timeline when supporting the native palestinians makes you antisemetic just cause you're against colonization when done by jewish people but you're NOT antisemitic when you support fucking azov and the ukrainian army as a whole lmao. Everybody who considers themselves on the left and is actually worth anything needs to be anti-zionist or they're useless idiots for imperialism and nothing more, and any left-wing party or group needs to stand their ground or be discarded.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The cracker ethos: Jewish feelings > Palestinian lives

The liberal "pro-palestinians" tut-tutting the victims of genocide by the self-declared "Jewish state" for not picking their words carefully enough are just zionists by another name.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I seriously hate them. How fucking dare they muddy the memory of the holocaust and it's victims by bastardizing it to commit a new genocide and erasing all the non-jewish victims and how fucking dare they police the words of people currently being genocided for the sake of the feelings of mostly white people. I'm not gonna act like it's a big conspiracy about how "the jews control the world" they only get away with this cause the west needs their settler colony to last for them to have control over the middle east but you might as well be hitler if you act like jewish people aren't a hivemind that blindly bow down to israel in their eyes. Would they police the language and actions of the people in the warsaw ghetto? Why are certain people entitled to an ethnostate? Not to mention how tons of groups have been in control of Palestine besides jewish people throughout the times but euro-centric history is all they know. The antisemitism they're creating by defending the actions of israel truly is mind boggling but they seem ignorant to it. "Nowhere is safe for us" and for poc and people in the global south it is??? They act like the only group of people in the world to be oppressed and genocided and no wonder with how much western media only highlights what is convenient to their goals. Sick and tired I ain't even making sense.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

When Palestinians are enduring a genocide, it’s “why don’t they move somewhere else?”

When a white Jewish student in the US gets weird looks for calling for mass genocide in class, they’re an innocent little baby whose safety is in grave danger, we must silence those antisemitic students immediately

“Nowhere is safe for us” coming from some American cracker like, give me a fucking break.

But I guess yeah, all those POC have nothing on them not being able to call for mass murder without social consequences. /s

P.S. a friend of mine is a lecturer and it’s truly jaw-dropping the number of whites who feel comfortable to have cracker tantrums in class if the professor says anything “woke”. Tell me again who’s “uppity”?

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

“Nowhere is safe for us” coming from some American cracker like, give me a fucking break.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, pisses me off more than hearing this shit. Is there a chance that they could run into people that are legit anti-semites? Yes. But how is sustaining the colonial project that is Israel any safer for them when they are provoking wars all the time? Meanwhile you have all these zionists living in the comfort of the imperial core without a chance of facing an ounce of the violence that is being inflicted on Middle Eastern people by Israel.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 3 points 1 hour ago

Always the white ones saying it too, it's like white people feel the need to cosplay as more oppressed than they truly are. In this day and age no jewish person is more at risk than anti-zionist jewish people from the actual antisemites and the rest of the jewish community.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Seriously, this is why I think the acknowledgment that, in the current year, Jews are not systemically oppressed (specifically for being Jewish) needs to be emphasized.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

If I said this anywhere else I'd be hung and quartered which proves your point cause literally no minority, certainly no non-white group would ever be defended like this while committing ethnic cleansing. Tired of crakkker whining.

Edit: Hell even here we had a whole debacle where even mods were sending death threats to people cause "you want an emoji burning the israeli flag so you're antisemetic cause it has the star of david" whites ruin every space they enter if not kept in line istg yes lets cosplay as communists but value a religious symbol over liberation of oppressed humans.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing more infuriating than the whitest person I’ve ever seen saying that they’re systemically oppressed for being Jewish (they lost all their friends after posting genocidal rhetoric)

Come the fuck on, come talk to me about systemic oppression when a cop puts “Jewish” on your speeding ticket instead of “white”, or when simply walking through a neighborhood gets you posted to NaziDoor as a “suspicious individual” and the cops get called on you

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fucking preach, they'll never know what it's fucking like and even within jewish spaces non-white jewish people get the short end of the stick. Antisemitism is an issue but this is like white women who complain about being the most oppressed while hiding behind their white identities. Something something white before anything else, race still trumps it.

Edit: this reminded me of how that betar jewish group harassed a 15 yo mexican boy cause he DARED accuse an adult man of assaulting him... but the man was JEWISH so clearly thr ILLEGAL ALIEN (actual words used by the group) is an antisemitic liar ruining a poor white jewish man's life. Lmao ship him to pedo paradise pissrael ig!!!

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They live such cozy fucking lives yet complain more then anybody else give me a fucking break. "Nowhere is safe for us" welcome to the world, guess what, you're not the only ones and you can still be guilty of heinous shit, like how some white USians are talking about seeking asylum elsewhere casue of trump lmaooooo. And it's almost always white jewish people saying that I've never seen a poc jewish saying it which goes to show cause you know, the poc part already makes it obvious absolutely nowhere is safe. Whites are white before anything else coming up as real again. Nobody is as arrogant and as sensitive as a crakkker. It's eurocentrism to ignore the countless groups who governed in Palestine before and after the jewish people yet only act like they're the ones who have the right to that land just as it is to focus on the history of antisemetism mostly in europe to justify borderline jewish supremacism and ignoring all kinds of bigotry besides antisemitism. Fuck anybody who contributes to it and may we see a fully liberated Palestine and the fall of the west in our lifetime.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 4 points 5 hours ago

white USians are talking about seeking asylum elsewhere casue of trump lmaooooo.

Of all the whites I’ve had tell me they were going to do this since 2016, not a single one has actually done it, because ultimately they are not materially affected, ICE is never going to come for them (their “activism” is limited to making a post on Bluesky every month) and they aren’t willing to give up their comfortable lives to cosplay as refugees. A democrat will win in 2028 and ICE will go back to only killing POC and everything will be normal again.

As far as I can tell it’s just a conversation topic for the dinner table. Same thing as that one temporarily-embarrassed-millionaire relative talking about how this is the year they’re finally gonna quit that minimum wage job and invest in crypto/AI and become a trillionaire or whatever. Every year for the last 10 years.

[–] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's funny, because even the premier "anti-Zionist" subreddit r/JewsOfConscious still regularly has libs and, dare I say, liberal zionists clutching their pearls about how Hamas is evil because they pose a threat to their lives or their family(paraphrasing from memory) and getting scratched in one thread regarding Jewish exceptionalism and like... I know reddit is botted to hell and back and filled with insufferable libs like any major platform nowadays, but it really feels like this overemphasis of antisemitism over all other forms of bigotry is just way too entrenched, especially in supposedly "progressive" spaces. It always seems like liberal zionists get way too much fucking good will and charity than ANYONE in the global south, even on the left.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago

It feels like some mix of western guilt plus political convenience. Try to pass off the guilt of the roles they played in the holocaust by helping maintain the settler colony that is key for their dominion over the middle east and claim its for the good of jewish people even if it's a fucking lie.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Starting to think porn is like alcohol in the way a fuckton of problems are overlooked because people are addicted (or close to it with porn) because the amount of racist shit overlooked even in leftist spaces that get you called puritan and shit thats-why-im-confused Motherfuckers act like ghetto gaggers wasn't huge? thats-why-im-confused N word wasn't frequently used and is still a frequent search? thats-why-im-confused Porn fuels the ever living fuck out of racial fetishsm

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 6 points 17 hours ago

Mfs think porn is some progressive vehicle just because it got em tweaking like this But mainstream sites like girlsdoporn literally sex trafficked girls. https://fightthenewdrug.org/real-stories-of-porn-performers-who-were-trafficked-into-the-industry/ Taking away their passports and everything. Site had 800 million views. I ain't against the concept of the exhibition thats yo bidness. But mandem shutting down all criticism of an industry that gets away with shit nearly no one else in polite society would

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

since everyone is replying to this, the fetishisation of Muslim women after bombing them for 20 years straight

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Facts. The reason Mia Khalifa went viral. Hell how many titles they got wearing burkhas to be provocative. thats-why-im-confused I hate these stupid fucks and their enablers. The libs too. They go on like this is artistic expression and that touching "taboo" subjects is some kind of enlightening trip. No you're just a dry dick coomer that gets off on dehumanizing people they see as the other and porn is a convenient vehicle for it because liberals tied this shit to sexual liberation and somehow that means its Teflon.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm presenting a lot of assumptions here... I thought that that porn was mainly catering to women who wear burkas, so that they have a sexual outlet in their private time. Have I misunderstood who it's catering to? I actually don't know anything about the values of people who wear burkas. Surely it's different for everyone who wears one. Idk what makes the genre offensive because of that, plus I've seen very few videos and felt it's not for me. Do women not wear burkas at all during sex, and is it therefore disrespectful to use it as part of a kink outfit?


Edit: What I saw is actually called a hijab, not a burka. Idk if burkas go by the same rules but I found a site saying "When Can a Woman Take Off Her Hijab?"

Women may take off their hijab in a private setting where non-family men are not present. Shared spaces with other women or immediate family members, such as at home, are common places where hijabs are not required.

The hijab’s purpose is to maintain modesty in public or around strangers, not within private, safe environments.

It's just chauvinism, most of the actresses aren't even Muslim or ex-Muslim, Mia Khalifa was born a christian Lebanese woman, the target audience is 100% of the time racist white men having fantasies about taking an obedient tradwife mail bride from an arab country and "saving her". Or in the case of Europe a lot of times fantasies about immigrants and refugees from Muslim countries.

Do women not wear burkhas at all during sex

Muslims women only wear it outside of their home, there are no restrictions on doing it while wearing it.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not for these guys no. Consider that this is the industry that thrives on racial stereotypes. Its western chauvinist attitudes that pokes and pokes and pokes to see what they can get away with. And since Muslim folks were the villains of the week they went for it knowing it would offend many of them around the world deliberately and play on fetishising them. Its 100% catering to these Yt dudes, thei fucked up gaze and they know what they're doing. This the same strand of guys on that Charlie Hebdo shit that pokes and pokes and pokes.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Why when I look up the term "western chauvinist" do propaganda by the Proud Boys show up on nearly every link? I'm not clicking on shit.

What is western chauvinsm?

What does YT stand for?

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 4 points 4 hours ago

I swear the search engine gets worse and worse i-cant

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately no. Especially given how misogynistic, patriarchal and racist the porn industry is. It more of the racial fetishization that has been talked about in the past few EMPOC megas.

I actually don't know anything about the values of people who wear burkhas. Surely it's different for everyone who wears one. Idk what makes the genre offensive because of that

Pretty sure they wouldn't know anything outside of the common "backwards Islamic societies make women cover themselves to sexually repress them" sterotype. And its part of what makes it offensive. The other part is what la_tasalana was pointing out. It feels like that "sub-genre" of ethnic fetihisation rose up post 9/11 and during the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. Considering the war crimes committed there included sexual abuse, well, you can draw some conclusions from there.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Considering the war crimes committed there included sexual abuse, well, you can draw some conclusions from there.

You mean the returning Middle Eastern men/women and their torturers all take home the sexual and racial trauma that shapes their sexualities. That's a lot to process out of their systems, possibly for generations.

In a better world where the bombing of the Middle East stopped decades ago, this would almost certainly still be true. Stereotypes and generational trauma(in this case, sexual) are often intertwined. In that way, I can see how kinks involving both persist.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago

This could be true but another example, as soon as the ukraine-russia conflict broke the top searches in pornhub were for shit like mail order russian and ukrainian brides exploitation type of shit and it was reported in north america. The hijab/burka phenomenon gained notoriety in white men circles as a way to "own" the arabs/muslims, since it was mostly produced by white men and many of the girls participating didn't even wear hijab/burka irl, just for the porn shoots afaik. The industry itself capitalizes on kinks that ofc are very well existent in poc communities due to racial and sexual trauma but it is very widespread and mostly made for white men is the issue and a lot of people don't like bringing it up to avoid sounding like some christian extremist who wants to ban all porn. But you did raise a valid point too.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Idk if this is on or off topic, but more taboo fetish videos, and porn in general, needs a beginning section where the porn stars explain in some depth why they've seeked out and want to perform things. How the consent process is drawn out. (Etc...) Like is it just for a money transaction, are they here to confront certain fears, is it something else? I feel it would clear some things up about what the actors need to work out. Then we might have more materialist answers to every taboo kink. Otherwise many people won't address issues in porn. If porn stars are seeking things out that their audience is, it could help porn stars connect and their audience to understand themselves and common themes in society.

Edit: Someone just told me this would all be nice, but every second of filming costs money due to capitalism, and not every porn star is there to talk about their shit.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

The racism around sex work is so widely accepted despite it being so blatant. White women get paid more to do interracial scenes than other groups. Black women do not get paid more, regardless of their co-star's race. This is textbook racial discrimination, yet it's allowed because nobody cares about rights for sex workers. They especially do not care about the rights for sex workers of color.

And as far as I know, gay and trans pornstars have similar discrimination problems. Which, of course, are compounded because they're queer.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

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Seriously... I've been saying this. One thing I cannot stand is just how disgustingly normalized racial fetishism is, and I know this whole "BBC," "Blacked," and "Ebony category" nonsense and all that is playing a part in it.

My teetotal ass also finds the comparison with alcohol apt.

I think people are so afraid of being being viewed as "puritan" or "prudish" that they overcorrect by defending even the most disgusting, problematic types of drug/fetish shit just to look like they support a view of "liberation."

It sucks how prevalent thought-terminating cliches are in these discussions.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Thought terminating is the word I'm looking for. Seriously anytime these problems are bought up even in left leaning spaces you're treated like a secret Republican. Peep this... A maonstream game company saying ready to get Blacked. What the fuck is this shit? Its acceptable because its porn. Even as a play on words gtfo https://twitter.com/WarThunder/status/1199696536936034304

[–] puppygirlpets@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

i don't think there's even a flimsy tank related joke they're hiding behind. it's just the fucked up race porn shit cat-confused

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the... why?friend-visitor-3

I see that meme format waaaaaay too much. Its fucking disgusting how seemingly acceptable it is.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

The whole point of this ENTIRE FUCKING GENRE of porn is the thought of some innocent white girl getting "corrupted " by black guy. Even the meme picture of the girl surrounded by dudes is for that, she's purposely on the smaller side, has child-like pigtails, childish shirt. The fact that it is integrated so much as acceptable to even well meaning people is proof that porn brained rot has gone a long way.

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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I don't even get into the transphobia in there. Or how prevelant the "teen" shit is there. How much legitremoved was posted on the sites. CSAM.

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[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly most people associate any criticism of porn, no matter how valid it may be, with conservatism and religion and they get away with this shit.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Swear down same mfs say they don't see color meanwhile putting ethnicities into niche categories. Got em doing shit with guys in Confederate shirts to prove they are worthy to get married to white man. No seriously THATS A FUCKING PLOT. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/relationships/a34642666/racism-porn-industry/

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 2 points 12 hours ago

Oh yeah I'm sadly aware of how deep down it goes having that shit shoved in my face as a "joke" from other kids in highschool back then. In any other context people would see how racist this is and shut it down but when sex is involved suddently it's like their brains turn off.

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