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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Starting to think porn is like alcohol in the way a fuckton of problems are overlooked because people are addicted (or close to it with porn) because the amount of racist shit overlooked even in leftist spaces that get you called puritan and shit thats-why-im-confused Motherfuckers act like ghetto gaggers wasn't huge? thats-why-im-confused N word wasn't frequently used and is still a frequent search? thats-why-im-confused Porn fuels the ever living fuck out of racial fetishsm

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 6 points 18 hours ago

Mfs think porn is some progressive vehicle just because it got em tweaking like this But mainstream sites like girlsdoporn literally sex trafficked girls. https://fightthenewdrug.org/real-stories-of-porn-performers-who-were-trafficked-into-the-industry/ Taking away their passports and everything. Site had 800 million views. I ain't against the concept of the exhibition thats yo bidness. But mandem shutting down all criticism of an industry that gets away with shit nearly no one else in polite society would

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

since everyone is replying to this, the fetishisation of Muslim women after bombing them for 20 years straight

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Facts. The reason Mia Khalifa went viral. Hell how many titles they got wearing burkhas to be provocative. thats-why-im-confused I hate these stupid fucks and their enablers. The libs too. They go on like this is artistic expression and that touching "taboo" subjects is some kind of enlightening trip. No you're just a dry dick coomer that gets off on dehumanizing people they see as the other and porn is a convenient vehicle for it because liberals tied this shit to sexual liberation and somehow that means its Teflon.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm presenting a lot of assumptions here... I thought that that porn was mainly catering to women who wear burkas, so that they have a sexual outlet in their private time. Have I misunderstood who it's catering to? I actually don't know anything about the values of people who wear burkas. Surely it's different for everyone who wears one. Idk what makes the genre offensive because of that, plus I've seen very few videos and felt it's not for me. Do women not wear burkas at all during sex, and is it therefore disrespectful to use it as part of a kink outfit?


Edit: What I saw is actually called a hijab, not a burka. Idk if burkas go by the same rules but I found a site saying "When Can a Woman Take Off Her Hijab?"

Women may take off their hijab in a private setting where non-family men are not present. Shared spaces with other women or immediate family members, such as at home, are common places where hijabs are not required.

The hijab’s purpose is to maintain modesty in public or around strangers, not within private, safe environments.

It's just chauvinism, most of the actresses aren't even Muslim or ex-Muslim, Mia Khalifa was born a christian Lebanese woman, the target audience is 100% of the time racist white men having fantasies about taking an obedient tradwife mail bride from an arab country and "saving her". Or in the case of Europe a lot of times fantasies about immigrants and refugees from Muslim countries.

Do women not wear burkhas at all during sex

Muslims women only wear it outside of their home, there are no restrictions on doing it while wearing it.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately no. Especially given how misogynistic, patriarchal and racist the porn industry is. It more of the racial fetishization that has been talked about in the past few EMPOC megas.

I actually don't know anything about the values of people who wear burkhas. Surely it's different for everyone who wears one. Idk what makes the genre offensive because of that

Pretty sure they wouldn't know anything outside of the common "backwards Islamic societies make women cover themselves to sexually repress them" sterotype. And its part of what makes it offensive. The other part is what la_tasalana was pointing out. It feels like that "sub-genre" of ethnic fetihisation rose up post 9/11 and during the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. Considering the war crimes committed there included sexual abuse, well, you can draw some conclusions from there.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Considering the war crimes committed there included sexual abuse, well, you can draw some conclusions from there.

You mean the returning Middle Eastern men/women and their torturers all take home the sexual and racial trauma that shapes their sexualities. That's a lot to process out of their systems, possibly for generations.

In a better world where the bombing of the Middle East stopped decades ago, this would almost certainly still be true. Stereotypes and generational trauma(in this case, sexual) are often intertwined. In that way, I can see how kinks involving both persist.

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 5 points 7 hours ago

This could be true but another example, as soon as the ukraine-russia conflict broke the top searches in pornhub were for shit like mail order russian and ukrainian brides exploitation type of shit and it was reported in north america. The hijab/burka phenomenon gained notoriety in white men circles as a way to "own" the arabs/muslims, since it was mostly produced by white men and many of the girls participating didn't even wear hijab/burka irl, just for the porn shoots afaik. The industry itself capitalizes on kinks that ofc are very well existent in poc communities due to racial and sexual trauma but it is very widespread and mostly made for white men is the issue and a lot of people don't like bringing it up to avoid sounding like some christian extremist who wants to ban all porn. But you did raise a valid point too.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Not for these guys no. Consider that this is the industry that thrives on racial stereotypes. Its western chauvinist attitudes that pokes and pokes and pokes to see what they can get away with. And since Muslim folks were the villains of the week they went for it knowing it would offend many of them around the world deliberately and play on fetishising them. Its 100% catering to these Yt dudes, thei fucked up gaze and they know what they're doing. This the same strand of guys on that Charlie Hebdo shit that pokes and pokes and pokes.

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Why when I look up the term "western chauvinist" do propaganda by the Proud Boys show up on nearly every link? I'm not clicking on shit.

What is western chauvinsm?

What does YT stand for?

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 4 points 6 hours ago

I swear the search engine gets worse and worse i-cant

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Idk if this is on or off topic, but more taboo fetish videos, and porn in general, needs a beginning section where the porn stars explain in some depth why they've seeked out and want to perform things. How the consent process is drawn out. (Etc...) Like is it just for a money transaction, are they here to confront certain fears, is it something else? I feel it would clear some things up about what the actors need to work out. Then we might have more materialist answers to every taboo kink. Otherwise many people won't address issues in porn. If porn stars are seeking things out that their audience is, it could help porn stars connect and their audience to understand themselves and common themes in society.

Edit: Someone just told me this would all be nice, but every second of filming costs money due to capitalism, and not every porn star is there to talk about their shit.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

The racism around sex work is so widely accepted despite it being so blatant. White women get paid more to do interracial scenes than other groups. Black women do not get paid more, regardless of their co-star's race. This is textbook racial discrimination, yet it's allowed because nobody cares about rights for sex workers. They especially do not care about the rights for sex workers of color.

And as far as I know, gay and trans pornstars have similar discrimination problems. Which, of course, are compounded because they're queer.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com 10000-com

Seriously... I've been saying this. One thing I cannot stand is just how disgustingly normalized racial fetishism is, and I know this whole "BBC," "Blacked," and "Ebony category" nonsense and all that is playing a part in it.

My teetotal ass also finds the comparison with alcohol apt.

I think people are so afraid of being being viewed as "puritan" or "prudish" that they overcorrect by defending even the most disgusting, problematic types of drug/fetish shit just to look like they support a view of "liberation."

It sucks how prevalent thought-terminating cliches are in these discussions.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Thought terminating is the word I'm looking for. Seriously anytime these problems are bought up even in left leaning spaces you're treated like a secret Republican. Peep this... A maonstream game company saying ready to get Blacked. What the fuck is this shit? Its acceptable because its porn. Even as a play on words gtfo https://twitter.com/WarThunder/status/1199696536936034304

[–] puppygirlpets@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

i don't think there's even a flimsy tank related joke they're hiding behind. it's just the fucked up race porn shit cat-confused

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What the... why?friend-visitor-3

I see that meme format waaaaaay too much. Its fucking disgusting how seemingly acceptable it is.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

The whole point of this ENTIRE FUCKING GENRE of porn is the thought of some innocent white girl getting "corrupted " by black guy. Even the meme picture of the girl surrounded by dudes is for that, she's purposely on the smaller side, has child-like pigtails, childish shirt. The fact that it is integrated so much as acceptable to even well meaning people is proof that porn brained rot has gone a long way.

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

pretty sure they also have a merch of "blacked"

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Can I fedpost them from existence? Please.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't even get into the transphobia in there. Or how prevelant the "teen" shit is there. How much legitremoved was posted on the sites. CSAM.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah. Hell man like Max Hardcore made multi million dollar empire filming himself sexually abuse woman. And he pride himself on doing it to barely legal girls. This was the blueprint for a while. Shit is wild how it just gets a shrug. Then people wonder why several of the porn workers go to only fans to work for themselves. Funny thing is how many get mad at the thought of some making millions on the OF platform. Like they want to see the women suffer. Seriously that max hardcore shit was nuts. Glad that fucker is dead

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He eventually got convicted, too. Like he actually filmed himself abusing someone, then put it out there on the internet for everyone to see. Probably the easiest case of the DA's entire career.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Word? I didn't know he got a conviction. The shit he was doing was crazy. Hollywood needed stuff like intimacy coordinators. Meanwhile in porn you got people getting prolapses and we just supposed to accept it and not be concerned about sex worker safety because "oh they get tested more than the average person" thats-why-im-confused

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

He got 5 years in prison IIRC and was let out early after serving only a few.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 3 points 15 hours ago

Heard the guy who did girlsdoporn trafficking got 27 years. I wonder if he'll get out early too

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly most people associate any criticism of porn, no matter how valid it may be, with conservatism and religion and they get away with this shit.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Swear down same mfs say they don't see color meanwhile putting ethnicities into niche categories. Got em doing shit with guys in Confederate shirts to prove they are worthy to get married to white man. No seriously THATS A FUCKING PLOT. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/relationships/a34642666/racism-porn-industry/

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 2 points 14 hours ago

Oh yeah I'm sadly aware of how deep down it goes having that shit shoved in my face as a "joke" from other kids in highschool back then. In any other context people would see how racist this is and shut it down but when sex is involved suddently it's like their brains turn off.