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[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 89 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Why can't just one of our companies not be blood-sucking assholes?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

*laughs in rich*

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s all being dumped into data centers now. Google and Meta don’t need your face to prove who you are to create a new login, they need it to link data. What’s awful is the need to log in is so intense, it worked. Apparently YouTube aspirations are worth it. And shopping Facebook marketplace.

Now, Amazon isn’t allowing returns for many an individual without a pic or upload of government issued ID. Amazon allowed you to both pay and have an item shipped without this ID. But for a return, they now need it. I’m not saying this ask isn’t multipurpose, but it also links your data together and is probably being dumped into data centers with everything else.

My point is, it’s not just Microsoft’s choices.

[–] evol@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would a company not be, not like people are going to stop using Windows

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If only there were another operating system that people could use rather than have their privacy and security raked over the coals by poor design fueled by next quarter's profits.

It's a shame that, according to a recent study of social media respondents, 98% of the Internet are Professional Valorant streamers, who play League of Legends and side hustle as a Mechanical Engineer and Digital Artist or they could browse around the world of alternative operating system and mayhaps find some other Operating System which fits their needs (TempleOS).

[–] evol@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol yeah we have literal death squads using data from data brokers to identify where to raid, yet asking one to not use Google Chrome is simply too much.

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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago

Because if a company gives up profits to be nice, another company will swoop in and get inherently rewarded by doing the profitable thing instead

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

go ask adam smith.

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[–] wuffah@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

It’s not a security flaw, it’s by design. Microsoft has been building this surveillance apparatus for years, and the purchase of government access to your computer and data using your tax dollars is a lucrative alignment of state and corporate power. Their recent design choices point to a rabid desperation to turn your PC into an Apple-style walled-garden.

It goes like this:

  • Require online Microsoft account creation.

  • Require TPM compliance to run Windows.

  • Forcibly encrypt the user’s data under the guise of “security”, even without permission or even user action. (Encryption is good! Right?)

  • Link your identity, payment information, data, online activity, and encryption keys to your hardware ID.

  • Record everything you do and use that data to train an AI model with onboard tensor hardware.

  • Exfiltrate the entire model, or just query it remotely for “online services.” Or, in this case, just have MS give you the fucking recovery keys. lol

All done “securely” with tamper resistance and mathematical verifiability that whatever is on your device is yours, and that you took that action with limited plausible deniability.

If you think you’ve got nothing to hide, think again about the current activities of ICE, law enforcement investigations based on reproductive health data, the pornography suppression movement, age verification, and the data harvesting of dissenting speech. What’s legal today can quickly become “illegal” tomorrow. The constitution is just a piece of paper in a fancy climate controlled box.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 21 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Linux, people. Linux.

Suggest Pop!_OS for the fearful.

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Suggest Pop!_OS for the fearful.

Mint, I think you mean Mint.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I realize Linux distros inspire arguments on the level of which rule set is the best rule set for D&D. As such, everyone is right, and no one can really prove anyone else wrong no matter how long they choose to argue. Unless we’re discussing the awfulness of 4.0 of course.

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[–] evol@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago

You make Microsoft act like some mastermind genius carefully planning to take away everyone's rights instead of a bunch of clueless DIrectors who are chasing KPI's. Just happens more people relying on their technology means when the Government comes knocking they can give them all the data they want.

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[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 37 points 1 month ago (10 children)

If they're selling bitlocker as "full-disk encryption", doesn't that open them up to a class action since encryption with a backdoor isn't encryption?

[–] roran@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nah, it's encryption all right, they just back up the key in case you lose it. Which is a feature. https://aka.ms/bitlockerrecovery

I hear iMessage e2e-encrypted messages are also backed up into cloud as plaintext...

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Grey area, user chose to store the private bitlocker key to their online Microsoft acct, it's optional. It's still a dirtbag move, but probably less illegal.

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[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

lol. Last time I checked the rule of law in the US only matters if corporations want it to

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No they're not really technically "selling" it. Its bundled with Windows.

Its the home edition thing where they require a microsoft account. Afaik, for the Pro version of Windows, Bitlocker doesn't require a microsoft account.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're selling Windows and one of the selling points is that it includes full disk encryption. Thus they are selling full disk encryption.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Most people have windows because of OEM keys, so you don't really have a direct bussiness relationship with Windows so its kinda harder to sue.

If you build a pc then separately bought a key, then you might have a better case.

(Disclaimer: I am not a laywer)

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[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 31 points 1 month ago

Exposing? Microsoft has made it very clear for a while that your Bitlocker keys are synced to your Microsoft account.

Hell, they even have a support page for it. Most of their support pages are nearly useless, but this one is even readable by a normal person.

And before someone mentions the part about Microsoft Support not having access to keys (because some smart ass always does for this stuff)... Just think for a second. Of course customer support doesn't have access to the keys. What Support can do is not a limit for legal disclosure. A legal warrant (like used here) means they'll give any info they have in a heartbeat.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

On Linux, selecting LUKS when you install encrypts the disk without the potential for this problem. So far it's proven to be very reliable at stopping state level actors, just don't use a password that you use elsewhere

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

You can also, with a bit of fiddling use hardware security keys like Yubikey: https://gist.github.com/cmedianu/470a49038e919cf5bc98cd0d2299c484 if you don't want to remember passwords (You can also install a password in another LUKS slot and it will fall-back to the password if your key fails)

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Oh no, who could have possibly seen this coming when Microsoft decided to back up your full-disk encryption key automatically to OneDrive.

Smart of them to deploy automatic full disk encryption just as open source projects like Trucrypt and Veracrypt were starting to become mainstream, capturing their market share (Netscape Navigator-style). Very incompetent of them to include many glaring backdoors that completely defeats the encryption that they offer.

In addition to being vulnerable to law enforcement through subpoenas on the stored key. Anytime you run a Windows update and the system has to reboot, it writes a 'clear key' to the hard drive which can be easily retrieved if the disk is stolen and also they bypass TPM Validation.

You know, the thing that is so important to have that you were forced to buy an entirely new computer... it is not active during a system update and anybody who had access to your hard drive can write arbitrary code into your system files.

Well, you would think that this isn't very useful, after all they would have to have pretty good timing to catch you updating your computer to remove the hard drive, right?

Nope, if they steal your whole computer and plug it into power and a network connection, the next time a Windows update hits the system will automatically apply the update (absent a very specific Group Policy) and write the full-disk encryption key to the hard drive before shutting down.

I'm no expert computerologist, but I think that any system that requires anybody but you to have your key is insecure. If this is the kind of poor design choices that they make in regards to disk encryption then I would personally have no confidence that their proprietary code is not equally porous.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is configurable; you can set BitLocker to always require a password on boot. If you do that, the clearkey doesn’t get placed (yet). If you set this mode, the key also doesn’t get uploaded to OneDrive. Of course, there’s a big warning when you set it up, and it recommends you print off and save the one time recovery key list.

Easier just to use an OS that doesn’t require you to jump through hoops to secure it though.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You can also disable it with a Group Policy too and delete any keys that were uploaded to Microsoft with manage-bde while adding your own keys, but for the average person Bitlocker is going to be how it comes by default.

Pre-builts are even worse because that's another party who has had access to your keys and there are not laws that they would violate by keeping copies (for your convenience, of course)

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[–] Trewtrew@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't store your secrets on the cloud.

EVER.

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[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago
[–] buttmasterflex@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago

I'm not surprised. The standard Microsoft disclosure on my work laptop at the login screen states any use ofbthw computer may be monitored and/ or recovered by Microsoft and law enforcement. That's why Microsoft products are not present in my home.

[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

One more reason never to use a ~~Microsoft~~ Microslop product.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[–] Bakkoda@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Regarding this as a flaw is a bit thin right? Massive breach of trust and huge legal issues.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is not directly on Microsoft as you have to be either ignorant or special kind of stupid to upload your encryption keys to US cloud. The government can request access to any data and a company can't do anything.

The only way to resist this is to not store anything unencrypted from your customers which is quite doable but clearly microsoft has no interest in this.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

It's a bit directly on Microsoft, unless you go out of your way, bitlocker will upload the keys to Microsoft. They assume you want them to help recover your data if your tpm becomes unavailable.

Interesting fun fact, when I tried to swype type bitlocker it really wanted to put bootlicker instead.

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In most situations, your BitLocker recovery key is automatically backed up when BitLocker is first activated:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/back-up-your-bitlocker-recovery-key-e63607b4-77fb-4ad3-8022-d6dc428fbd0d

Unless your base argument is "Microsoft users are all stupid", then I remind you that this is not only default behavior, but is mandatory if your account is associated with an EmtraID account (i.e. any business or school)

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Windows no longer allows local accounts.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

If you really were still naive enough to think that a public tech company cares about your right to privacy at that point, it's pretty much on you.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago
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