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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 86 points 1 day ago (6 children)

And yet, you're still doing it.

As they say: historians have a word for Germans who supported the Nazis because they liked their economic policies, or were afraid of Communists, or they wanted power, or they wanted the business, or any of a hundred other reasons. That word is Nazi. Historians don't care what their reasons are.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 5 hours ago

"I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy. I didn't go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can't blame that on me." --German Citizen, 1946

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"it" in this case being standing around and picking up trash

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[–] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 89 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They're also a Republican voter, and voted 3rd party in 2024. If they don't think this is what they signed up to do they're a fucking idiot.

[–] jontree255@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

One can't just quit the National guard. There's a contract that holds them for a period of time. Imagine somebody signs a 6-year contract in 2022. I don't think they can be held liable for Trump's actions when it wasn't even clear he wasn't going to actually run again. I signed a 4-year contract as an active duty service member in 2021. I got out in January last year and so I'm thankful for that. But every day or so I have to think about what my colleagues would have to decide. They're not in it to subjugate people. They're in it for a steady career and because they believed in a liberal America and looking to make the world a more stable place. The military is a sword and it really depends on who's using it, whether it's good or bad.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I knew someone who defected from the military. Wasn't supposed to do that. Broke his contract. He's still alive and he owns a house and he's got a wife and kids and a good job.

[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 34 minutes ago

Defected? Like went to a different country?

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yes, I guess. But can they? Without consequences, that is.

I suppose everyone has their own set and level of consequences that keep them from immediately reacting or trying to stop events.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Sorry, Americans. You had 20-30 years to stop this slow motion reactionary train wreck without risking serious consequences. You failed to do that, so now your choice is to do it the hard way or just roll over and give up now. All indications point to you having already decided to do the latter.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 23 hours ago

Things have to get much worse before people do anything on a large scale. In most parts of the country, day to day life is unchanged.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago

I've spent years screaming into the void, trying to wake people up, feeling like Cassandra. After the election I had way too many people try to console me with "at least they're gonna go after the immigrants now"

I don't know what to do now but all I see is no quick solution. I think the hard way won't result in the change needed and is only part of the accelerationism that got us here. We should all be doing what we can to set up for the longer haul.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I'm American and I agree. People can downvote us if they want, but what we believe is true. There is literally no way this ends peacefully, and we shouldn't just be rolling over and taking it. Our whole country is a fucking joke full of larpers

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago

I don't disagree at all with that aspect. As a minority who has been screaming at the others, it's hard to both try to explain why we're going down this path while totally understanding why the world is looking at us like we're all insane. Fire may be the only remedy at this point.

I disagree with the timeline. I'm old, and things were already in motion when I was born. This has been a long train wreck with so many false points of hope and promises of change tricking and deluding us.

I have the same take on humanity as a whole. It's been a long road of disappointment with lots of missed exits to possible better times.

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Staying in has consequences too, it means he's a Nazi soldier fighting against Americans.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

can they? Without consequences, that is.

What are the consequences if they don't?

[–] BranBucket@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The national guard is both state and federal, and can be subject to penalties under the Uniform Code of Military Justice at times just like active duty troops.

If you just stop showing up, your unit declares you AWOL, and this can carry criminal penalties under the UCMJ. They may ask local law enforcement to bring you in. Jail time is a possibility in aggravated cases.

You could claim certain types of mental illness, that you're experiencing gender dysphoria, or fake a disqualifing medical condotion and you may or may not be discharged or face a court martial based on wether or not they think you're lying.

Depends on the branch, but you could try gaining weight and failing your PT test, however the process of getting discharged could take months/years.

Failing a drug test would probably the be the fastest way out, but you're potentially going to get dishonorably discharged, which can be treated as equivalent to a criminal conviction in some regards.

Declaring yourself a consciencous objector could work, and is probably the closest to simply quitting, but the process of being discharged could be lengthy and involve some investigation to make sure your beliefs are "sincerely held". Again, you may be dishonorably discharged or face other penalties if someone really wants to be an asshole about it.

EDIT: After some googling. If activated under federal orders or participating in their annual training and therefore subject to the UCMJ, the consequences for a National Guardsman found guilty of desertion could be as severe as death. However, this is historically rare in the modern era.

When not activated, most states have their own code of military justice, which often mirrors the UCMJ.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/885

Some other relevant reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I was in DC and saw them standing around in the metro station... Did not look happy to be there.......

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Picking up trash is honerable

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hey when I joined up to get my own country's armed forces to pay for my college, most of the ads highlighted our own regular-force army swinging (rappelling) down from helicopters to bundle people up for extraction; or marshalling aid in some random warzone; or wading through rubble.

The training backed it up. We were, back then, primarily a unified force to be deployed for support, and only rarely armed. And, since we do not have a national guard, that's the role we needed to sometimes fill. That, and so many sandbags after a bit of a long walk. ;-)

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