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[–] aramis87@fedia.io 122 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

And yet, you're still doing it.

As they say: historians have a word for Germans who supported the Nazis because they liked their economic policies, or were afraid of Communists, or they wanted power, or they wanted the business, or any of a hundred other reasons. That word is Nazi. Historians don't care what their reasons are.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"I voted for Mr. Hitler because he'd be good for the economy. I didn't go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can't blame that on me." --German Citizen, 1946

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hitler wasn't elected, unlike Trump. People voted for the Nazi party, and Hitler was appointed.

Americunts literally elected a convicted felon, rapist, pedophile. So, yeah...

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It was a facetious comment, meant to make a point. It wasn't meant to be an accurate slice of history, but you know that. This thread is full of lots of insufferable "Actually..." types.

And Trump didn't win, it was rigged, and we ALL know it, even MAGAs.

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"it" in this case being standing around and picking up trash

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

were afraid of Communists

It works really great when you draw a circle around everyone not in your tiny camp of Tacolovers/white supremacists and declare them to be "Communists" as so many of the conservatives do.

I'm sure they did much the same in Hitler's Germany, too. Everyone that didn't adore him were probably called socialists, trade unionists, and Communists.

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[–] Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They're also a Republican voter, and voted 3rd party in 2024. If they don't think this is what they signed up to do they're a fucking idiot.

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[–] jontree255@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

One can't just quit the National guard. There's a contract that holds them for a period of time. Imagine somebody signs a 6-year contract in 2022. I don't think they can be held liable for Trump's actions when it wasn't even clear he was going to actually run again. I signed a 4-year contract as an active duty service member in 2021. I got out in January last year and so I'm thankful for that. But every day or so I have to think about what my colleagues would have to decide. They're not in it to subjugate people. They're in it for a steady career and because they believed in a liberal America and looking to make the world a more stable place. The military is a sword and it really depends on who's using it, whether it's good or bad.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I knew someone who defected from the military. Wasn't supposed to do that. Broke his contract. He's still alive and he owns a house and he's got a wife and kids and a good job.

[–] Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Defected? Like went to a different country?

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I'm assuming they meant AWOL (absent without leave).

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yes, I guess. But can they? Without consequences, that is.

I suppose everyone has their own set and level of consequences that keep them from immediately reacting or trying to stop events.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

Sorry, Americans. You had 20-30 years to stop this slow motion reactionary train wreck without risking serious consequences. You failed to do that, so now your choice is to do it the hard way or just roll over and give up now. All indications point to you having already decided to do the latter.

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

I'm American and I agree. People can downvote us if they want, but what we believe is true. There is literally no way this ends peacefully, and we shouldn't just be rolling over and taking it. Our whole country is a fucking joke full of larpers

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've spent years screaming into the void, trying to wake people up, feeling like Cassandra. After the election I had way too many people try to console me with "at least they're gonna go after the immigrants now"

I don't know what to do now but all I see is no quick solution. I think the hard way won't result in the change needed and is only part of the accelerationism that got us here. We should all be doing what we can to set up for the longer haul.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

After the election I had way too many people try to console me with “at least they’re gonna go after the immigrants now”

That was supposed to console you?

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't even do the mental gymnastics what they were thinking beyond I'm "white" (I identify as Rainbow People™) so i must agree with their racism.

Trying to talk about trans issues beyond pronouns with any of them was met with uncomfortable silence, nervous laughter, or nonsequiters; so i don't know how I expected better from them.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago

I don't disagree at all with that aspect. As a minority who has been screaming at the others, it's hard to both try to explain why we're going down this path while totally understanding why the world is looking at us like we're all insane. Fire may be the only remedy at this point.

I disagree with the timeline. I'm old, and things were already in motion when I was born. This has been a long train wreck with so many false points of hope and promises of change tricking and deluding us.

I have the same take on humanity as a whole. It's been a long road of disappointment with lots of missed exits to possible better times.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Things have to get much worse before people do anything on a large scale. In most parts of the country, day to day life is unchanged.

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[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 13 points 3 weeks ago

Staying in has consequences too, it means he's a Nazi soldier fighting against Americans.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

can they? Without consequences, that is.

What are the consequences if they don't?

[–] BranBucket@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The national guard is both state and federal, and can be subject to penalties under the Uniform Code of Military Justice at times just like active duty troops.

If you just stop showing up, your unit declares you AWOL, and this can carry criminal penalties under the UCMJ. They may ask local law enforcement to bring you in. Jail time is a possibility in aggravated cases.

You could claim certain types of mental illness, that you're experiencing gender dysphoria, or fake a disqualifing medical condotion and you may or may not be discharged or face a court martial based on wether or not they think you're lying.

Depends on the branch, but you could try gaining weight and failing your PT test, however the process of getting discharged could take months/years.

Failing a drug test would probably the be the fastest way out, but you're potentially going to get dishonorably discharged, which can be treated as equivalent to a criminal conviction in some regards.

Declaring yourself a consciencous objector could work, and is probably the closest to simply quitting, but the process of being discharged could be lengthy and involve some investigation to make sure your beliefs are "sincerely held". Again, you may be dishonorably discharged or face other penalties if someone really wants to be an asshole about it.

EDIT: After some googling. If activated under federal orders or participating in their annual training and therefore subject to the UCMJ, the consequences for a National Guardsman found guilty of desertion could be as severe as death. However, this is historically rare in the modern era.

When not activated, most states have their own code of military justice, which often mirrors the UCMJ.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/885

Some other relevant reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was in DC and saw them standing around in the metro station... Did not look happy to be there.......

[–] GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They have a lot of power in leaving.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Tell me you’ve never served without telling me you’ve never served. You don’t get to just leave. You can choose to not re-enlist. But even under previous presidents the penalty for desertion was hefty. Under Orange muffin I wouldn’t risk deserting.

[–] GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

“Just following orders” is not a valid defense.

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[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago

Not really.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean it is though open a history book and do basic research hell Kent state is well known for example.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Go read up on the natural disasters they respond to also.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

okay? and that needs to be the national guard and not a non militarized order because? Thats like defending police because they occasionally do semi good things. The entire job is broken and primarily oppression based irrespective.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Picking up trash is honerable

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Hey when I joined up to get my own country's armed forces to pay for my college, most of the ads highlighted our own regular-force army swinging (rappelling) down from helicopters to bundle people up for extraction; or marshalling aid in some random warzone; or wading through rubble.

The training backed it up. We were, back then, primarily a unified force to be deployed for support, and only rarely armed. And, since we do not have a national guard, that's the role we needed to sometimes fill. That, and so many sandbags after a bit of a long walk. ;-)

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Frag your commanders. Edit: less dramatically, liberate some weaponry.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Following orders is exactly what you signed up for bud.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the oath you take when joining the US Army:

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

The important part there is the mention of the UCMJ, which states that orders cannot be illegal, violate the Constitution, violate international law, etc.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The important part is the "and domestic" bit. Active duty troops are oath bound to engage Trump the same way they do any other enemy of the United States. Their decision not to this far is a breach of their duty.

Better late than never though - do your job already, troops!

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