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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

FREE GOOP?! in this economy?!

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 183 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I guess they didn’t watch any other part of the movies where all those tube people live in our regular world holding jobs and paying rent

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 142 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah but its the 90s. At that time, my oma bought a house in a nice neighborhood and set up a retirement plan on an American teachers salary. In the south.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Wasn't that explicitly mentioned in the film, that that is the best time in civilization?

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The height of our civilization, is what he says. I think.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say "your" civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became "our" civilization, which is of course what this is all about.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please tell us more Mr Smith.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 22 points 2 days ago

Damn his voice is so great. You gotta hear rather than simply read it.:-)

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The height of human society.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 93 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Me in 1999: Haha, good joke, things will get even better.

Me in 2026: Damn, how right they were.

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 24 points 2 days ago

Yep. I'd take 90s adulthood over this shit.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Nah, guys, the machines totally tried to make it a utopia and it, uh, just didn't take. Ya gotta work til you die, the abundance of resources is unconnected. Stop asking questions.

[–] Postimo@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would take them at their word for that. If they made some sort of hyper real super pleasure heaven of pure bliss the tendency towards betterment would drive humans insane. Maybe once that failed there were just like 'these fuckers are a mess, just dupe back when they thought they were happy and call it good.'

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[–] xspurnx@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago

We're still in there. The simulation just got more intense because the added stress leads to the human batteries generating more heat.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

just put me back in, please, and make me someone important, like an actor....

[–] slappyfuck@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

I don’t wanna remember nothing! Lol

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

"Ignorance is bliss"

(Harp strums)

[–] songwriterallnighter@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Be careful, might become a struggling actor, still struggling in their 60s. lol

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Cypher is 74 this year.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 2 days ago

And then you find your entire life force has been drained so a robot kid can generate a picture of Judy Hopps being railed by Kratos.

[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Plus it gets to be 1998 forever

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

the peak of humanity

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But... the whole idea is that the world we're living in now is the Matrix. Agent Smith and the Architect both described previous iterations of the Matrix where it was designed to be a perfect world where everyone was happy. Humans rejected it, and they found less rejection when they made humans miserable.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Well... that's the line.

But there's a lot of unreliable narration in The Matrix. The whole movie is riddled with metaphor and innuendo, which is one of the things that makes it so good. I read one analysis - back before the third movie dropped - that Neo, Morphus, and Trinity were actually one person operating at some higher level of The Matrix, and that this was a very explicit and somewhat heavy handed metaphor for ~~being interracial and transgender~~ Jesus.

As a number of the AIs are nakedly hostile to humanity and resentful of needing them to exist at all, its very possible that "you fuckers just couldn't accept the nice world we built for you" is more a sneering justification for tormenting the captive human population than a serious problem with running a simulation that isn't torturous.

Honestly, the worst thing about the series was how the final films tried to make everything literal and sensible in between elaborate action scenes. By contrast, many of The Animatrix shorts did an excellent job of playing with the ideas laid out in the first two movies without ever really tipping a hand or issuing canonical declaration of what was Real and what was Simulation.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The optimal balance they found is the 90's and no absolute peace

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Considering that was the conclusion that machines made two centuries later (Morpheus mentioning to Neo shortly after retrieving him that they were closer to 2199) does not bode well.

[–] hectorcruz123@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In this economy, a free tube with 'all-inclusive' goo actually sounds like a step up. Does the pod have high-speed internet, or do I have to pay extra for that?

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The internet is called the "real" world and it is jacked directly into your neck. I don't think even the Wachowskis realized how right they had it with the late 90s being humanity's peak.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't even think they kill you, just death by natural causes.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

On the original, people probably become useless after they get dementia.

On the movie, machines are crazy and stupid, and everybody acts as if its normal... so whatever.

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[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Finally found a place where existing & occupying space doesn't cost any money??

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

they make you dream about needing dream money to pay dream rent.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization."

In retrospect, that era being the "peak of our civilization" seems depressingly accurate...

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[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The whole premise for using humans as batteries makes zero sense though, lol. What about real batteries.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I heard it was supposed to be using human brains essentially as processing power, but they thought audiences would understand "batteries" better I guess lol.

[–] justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

In the movie they used the word battery, but the explanation was more like chemical power plant. It wasn't about storing electric energy, but generating it.

But yeah, I remember that half of the people with which I went to the cinema (at release) didn't understand the movie. So I guess they needed to dump it down even if it creates inconsistencies.

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, the Wachowski sisters originally scripted humans being used for neural networking, which was both much more realistic and incredibly ahead of its time. Executives told them that the audience would not understand it, and pushed the battery idea.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They should release a George Lucas style edit where the only edit is replacing the battery in his hand with a raspberry pi that has a huge copper heatsink on it, that way all the talk about btu's makes sense (kind of) and you can support the reference when people call each other "coppertop"

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[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 28 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Boy should I not rewatch those movies…

“What do you mean they use them as batteries do you know how inefficient that is?” “Wait they’re growing the WHOLE BODY, MUSCLE AN ALL? How? And… For what? To jack a single neuron signal? That’s like 150 milivolts.” “Where the fuck are they even getting the goop? I’m sure if they’re advanced enough to harvest any energy from humans they could get WAY MORE from that goo on its own.”

[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where did you learn how much electricity the human body generates? And about the laws of thermodynamics? That's right, inside the matrix. The machines are fucking liars, man

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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Apparently the original plan was for the machines to use the brains of humans for computing power, like a giant neural network. But movie execs thought that was too complicated for the average movie goer and they made them change it to the battery thing.

Using them for processing power made more sense but they could probably done it better by just maintaining the brains and not the entire body, or even just made neural networks and ditch the humans. Also I assumed the goop is just made from the dead humans. They also never explain how they make new humans, they clone them? Artificial insemination?

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No we get to dream of us paying rent and living in a simulated capitalist society, Thats a nightmare. Then again waking up to find you live in a dank underground cave hunted by robots is worse

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