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[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 125 points 1 month ago (37 children)

Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.

Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!

We are sick and tired of your excuses.

This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 204 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (23 children)

As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 1 month ago

Native American who’s citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court

You should go back to your home country or something like that. /s

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[–] nmhforlife@lemmy.world 99 points 1 month ago (51 children)

As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 112 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In any war there are soldiers who don't wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.

If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.

Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can't, then form your "well regulated militia" that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT "good honest people". They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.

I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don't. Do what you have to do, and don't feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.

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[–] fennesz12@feddit.dk 96 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm Danish and I refuse to make this about nationality. I've had an immeasurable amount of American friends over the years. I've loved your music, your company, your viewpoints, your stories - and I've had nothing but respect for you. I've been on American social media with you for decades. I've laughed at the same jokes as you. I speak your language, I sing your songs, I share an incredible amount of your culture. We learned to celebrate Halloween from you. We wear your clothes. We are your friends.

This is where you'd expect to see a "but", but there is no "but". I just wanted to say this, because I refuse to be divided by national borders. The America I see now, is not the America I grew up with. And now I'm fucking crying. It feels like losing a good friend, to some sort of neurological illness. We will always share your values. Not MAGA values, but OUR values.

[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Thank you. Borders are stupid, we are all humans and we only have one floating rock. Also, I love the Danes I've met.

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[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!

Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don't take their guns into the streets to stop it.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.

(All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it's changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped--literally or figuratively--to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (29 children)

The sane Americans here are saying, "Hey, we're your allies in this, we are trying to help," and you're literally saying, "No, you're the enemy." This is basically moral reasoning on the level of "my daughter crashed the car so I'm going to hit my son with a baseball bat." It's too much work on your part to distinguish between innocent and guilty? That's some very firm moral high ground you're lobbing spears from.

Not only is that nonsensical from a moral standpoint, but it's terrible strategic thinking. You just prefer it if we're all to be enemies? You're asking both you (who is allegedly so infuriated because you are demanding a solution) and us (the people best positioned to try to help solve this) to waste our time fighting amongst each other. Great idea.

But to be clear, I understand when you spew hatred like this, you're not thinking. You're lashing out emotionally because you're upset. Now the question is, will you acknowledge this, or will you respond by increasing the volume and digging in deeper?

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[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 26 points 1 month ago

And now you understand what we Germans feel when Americans ask what our ancestors did during the 1930s and 40s.

[–] ideonek@piefed.social 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Than maybe its time to take some good and caring actions? It's not enought to see it and be bothered by it.

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[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And all the other fascist countries that don't fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.

[–] user_name@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.

I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.

Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don't agree but then when called on it don't do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn't just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It's absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that's more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there's blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don't put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 105 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 59 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We got <1% of the files, heavily redacted and it was still fucking wild. I cannot imagine how batshit fucking crazy the actual files are

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 74 points 1 month ago (31 children)

Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago

That's fine. If that's what it takes to help the Americans get their predatory elites onto a tighter leash, that'll be worth it.

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[–] zd9@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Can Trump just... not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 83 points 1 month ago (15 children)

This doesn't stop with Trump. They voted for Trump and they voted for the congress that protects him. They will just pick another person that does the same thing, but probably sounds less stupid while doing it. This is an America problem.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Their voting is rigged. The people should not rely on that system

[–] user_name@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I and many people I know have spent our whole lives trying to change the rigged system of FPTP/single-member constituency voting with the further distortion of state-based apportionment.

The issue, as with any rigged system, is that it’s really hard to un-rig unless either the people benefitting from the rigging let it change (lol) or there’s a major upheaval—usually a war. It took WWI for the German voting system to be un-rigged in favor of the Junkers and Belgium to end their rigged system, and it took a civil war in America to end the 3/5 Compromise which was a start in the right direction and then a decade plus of sustained sctivism for the civil rights movement to see a real impact in voting rights.

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[–] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hope he dies illegally and unnaturally

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't care how he dies. Just soon. And ideally very painfully.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 71 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Unfortunately I'm thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.

[–] cigsandhemoglobin@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Easy - I'm danish and the PM from both Denmark and Greenland just said, that they can't rule out an armed attack, but only because the US doesn't rule it out. Very different from telling people to prepare for an invasion.

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 64 points 1 month ago (11 children)

The really striking thing about the contingent of non-Americans in this thread who are blaming all Americans, even specifically those who oppose Trump, is that I can't imagine a psyop doing a better job of fracturing the American left and isolating the US.

I think Lemmy is still small enough that the people who are vomiting on the anti-Trump Americans and insisting on collective blame are probably real people, who don't know how to direct their anger (which is quite depressing). But to explain, I actually can't think of what Russia would do differently to accomplish (1) transposing anger against Trump into anger against all Americans, which helps (2) sever international support to internal American anti-Trump protesters, and thereby (3) weaken internal American resistance to Trump by making those of us here who opposed Trump feel and be even more isolated.

Solidarity across borders seems like a better approach. Seems like you would feed the tree you want to grow, and starve the invasive weed you don't, instead of just relieving oneself on both. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid American.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago (9 children)

From a non-American's viewpoint, most Americans seem very content to only vent online about how they didn't vote for this but they don't seem to be holding their congress and senate representatives to task to get Trump out of office, now. There is a possibility of a general strike on Friday - it should be throughout the USA. In every city. Let your reps know that you are not just attending the odd protest but that citizen demand change immediately. They can impeach or Amendment 25 him out right now. No waiting for the slight possibility that there might still be an election in November. Trump isn't obeying any other laws or the constitution so he can't be expected to hold and then abide by an election many more months away. Americans do not seem, from the world's view, to be treating Trump with the urgency that is needed.

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[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 month ago (26 children)

Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren't wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we're not doing enough.

This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We're powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn't ever need to get to that point.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 month ago

Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).

Learn First Aid! ⛑️

The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.

Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.

But you'll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.

Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.

Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks

If you haven't already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.

These are groups using direct action to solve each other's problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We've been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.

This isn't only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don't want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.

Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪

The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.

The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).

And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.

  • 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
  • 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
  • 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
  • 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
  • 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
  • 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
  • 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
  • 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
  • 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
  • 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
  • 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW

Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️

Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.

Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.

Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.

Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.

We'll start it off with some General Advice:

  • Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
  • Be careful about who you meet online
  • Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
  • Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
  • agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don't have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.

For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you'll need to scroll down. I'd add it here, but it won't fit in this comment).

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Californian here.

There's really no possible way I'll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won't go out of my way to help it. I'll always default to assuming it's a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I'm a Californian, not an American.

Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don't feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.

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[–] Balldowern@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Foreigner here. I know you civilians don't control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you've already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.

And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 month ago

Whatever you do, do NOT accept a payment to leave. This is YOUR land, YOUR country, YOUR inheritance in this world

Plus, you know, you're dealing with a professional scammer. I guarantee you that you will never see a dime if you accept and leave

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Good thing Genocide Joe was stopped

[–] superkong47@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’m so incredibly tired boss- tired of arguing with dumb magat nazi fucks on the internet, tired of seeing my country destroyed from the inside out day by day, tired of seeing the orange jizz biscuit spewing rhetoric from the podium out of his face anus like a sharting sprinkler- I’m doing my diligence and vetting activists groups to join so I can get off the internet take it to the streets. no nazi should feel comfortable, period

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s behind a paywall and I’m not giving Bloomberg money

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[–] JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump's dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn't want this.

I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid's Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.

My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.

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