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The problem with that is the rash of deaths of people with copyright over desirable content.

And this isn’t just speculative.

we’d better be careful to make sure that we aren’t simply giving the federal government (and the shitheads who run it) even more power and control over everything

You do realize that copyright is solely a function of the federal government, right? There is no state or municipal copyright, it's already the federal government who decides whether your copyright as a creator is valid or enforceable, or whether to just hand it over to another company/ billionaire.

Have you written anything? Have you composed or recorded a song? Have you drawn or painted a picture? Taken an artistic photo? Even written some source code?

Yes I have, yes I have, yes I have, yes I have, and yes I have.

And yes, I'm thinking about this from the point of view of a creator. It's fucking difficult to make ends meet. Talk to any artist that hasn't managed to get a salaried job as an artist (you have to be really, I mean really good at what you do) or gotten lucky enough to make it big. They're saving money anywhere they can. They're working second and third jobs. Honestly, on average, artists are the poorest people I know. Despite copyright protection being strong (put the AI thing aside for a minute, since it's a fairly new problem). The lab results are in. It doesn't work.

You know what they would like? To focus on their art, and not their financial issues. Oh, and many would like to not worry about the legal grey area/hellhole when it comes to remixing or rearranging others' work. I've made an arrangement for a song I was fascinated with, but I haven't released it, partly because I don't want to deal with all the legal BS.

This was meant to be a real solution to a real problem at the dawn of industrialization; how can the person who writes a story compete with a person who owns a printing press?

You're mixing up your history here. Copyright is much, much newer than the printing press. And even if you take that assumption, that calculation has changed, since again there's next to no cost to making copies anymore. So now, the companies have used copyright to become gatekeepers while also keeping as much of the profit as humanly possible.

Why is the prescription a society where creative people are the only ones who can't capitalize on their creations?

...except they can. There are plenty of media creators that get their audience to sponsor them, to varying degrees of success.

But honestly, if there's no worry about food insecurity or housing insecurity, do you want to create art or just profit from it?

I'm not going to go into the slippery slope tirade at the end except to say this: look at how filthy rich companies like Disney, Sony, etc. are. They are that ridiculously rich because of copyright. Is that really what you want?

If we are to abolish intellectual property, we might as well abolish all property (including land, patents and money as well

That's a bit messy.

Patents are IP, with the caveat that they usually protect corporation over inventors.

Money is a medium for measuring transactions. Hoarding it is very much like having people owing you a service.

Land is more complex and needs for a society to clarify "property" first : property because of use or property in a more abstract way allowing others to use it for your benefit. This also implies a split between single-person usage (t'is my plot for I toil it for my family) and a more common use (10 persons toil the field which provides enough for 20).

The basic trade-off inherent in copyright is a simple one. On the one hand, increasing
copyright yields benefits by stimulating the creation of new works but, on the other hand, it reduces access to existing works (the welfare ‘deadweight’ loss). Choosing the optimal term, that is the length of protection, presents these two countervailing forces particularly starkly.

Unfortunately this "research" is merely the subjective opinion of a "open data activist" who, to my knowledge, has not created anything, and is based on a flawed and entitled premise that the world is owed "access" to the creations of artists. I invite you to use your own brain, and reach your own conclusions:

• If I write a song from my own mind, what entitles you or anyone else to access of that song?
• If you paint a painting and hang it up on the wall of your bedroom, does that entitle me to have access to it in any way?

The answers to these questions are obvious.

There is no need to optimize copyright laws to balance the the rights of creators with the accessibility of media, because copyright exists simply to protect creators to own and control their own creations, which other people are in no way entitled to. "Access" isn't a factor, or at least it shouldn't be within the lifetime of the original creator.

“The AI + open data combo is incredibly powerful—but it must be democratic, ethical, and human-centered.” - Rufus Pollock, CKAN Monthly Live #33, July 6th 2025

It "must be" democratic? ethical? human-centered?

Guess what? It's none of those things... And the only way to even begin to force it to be any of those things is creating robust copyright laws that protect creators from exploitation of the technology-controlling elite oligarchs who have monopolized money, power, and the means of production (if you can even call generously generative AI "production", instead of mere theft.)

So again, I'll ask you, "what have you made in your life that leads you to think copyright should be limited to 15 years?"

The answer for someone like Rufus Pollock seems to be "I've created nothing, I just want access to other people's things", probably only so that he and other highly privileged tech bros can further engineer a society where they can use people's data for their own benefit.

We don't need some 20 year old joke of a research paper from Cambridge to judge what we are seeing with our own eyes right here and now. If you need a concrete example of where forced "open data" (as in, "we've pirated every song ever and hosted them on Anna's Archive so big tech can use them to train a model to rip off musicians who are already working 2-3 jobs to make ends meet") has failed, it has been the abuse and exploitation of copyrighted works on the part of generative AI companies in a system that has only served to make the rich richer and the poor, including the creative class, poorer.

Pollock isn't entitled to "access" to the things I create, nor is Altman entitled to train his over-valued company's for-profit product off of them. Fuck that.

The increasingly broke creative proletariat are being ripped the fuck off by the disgustingly wealthy techno-oligarch bourgeoisie, all because generative AI training seems to barely be a gray area in existing copyright laws--showing once and for all that giving these people even a single inch of "access" to our work will end in nothing but rampant exploitation.

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