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So let me get this straight. Microsoft is taking your local files, without their consent, onto their platform where they can delete them for "terms of use" violations, alongside tracking what you do on your own computer.
Sounds like they don't want you to use your computer in a way they don't want you to.
Happened to me, too. Now I just ignore OneDrive entirely. I don't think Microsoft understands what cloud storage is supposed to be used for. If I delete something from the cloud, I should still have it locally on my PC. The fact that this isn't the case means essentially, that OneDrive isn't actually a cloud service. They're trying to get you to pay a subscription fee to use your own hard drive. You know, the one you're already using for free. I wonder why that isn't taking off? 🤔
This is what made me stop using Google Photos and start self hosting Immich. I lost a video from my house construction that showed where the cables were exactly laid.
onedrive is even more intrusive than google drive.
Years ago Microsoft had its OneNote Notebooks as proper files, you could move and copy them and such. Now it’s nearly impossible to get your hands on a “tangible” file using this software.
During that transition- from usable to shit, I made the mistake of uploading my notebook, with all of my uears of course studies (college, professional certifications, etc) into onedrive. That way it could be backed up! A year later I moved my files again into a different system, moving away from OD. They were MY files after all.
What I didn’t know was that Microsoft had moved my Notebook somewhere else into their cloud, on my behalf, and changed my Notebook file to a shortcut/pointer object. There was no indication it was a shortcut as with other documents (the little arrow) on windows. It looked just exactly like the original file.
Well when I tried to open this “file” I got the rudest awakening: Microsoft couldn’t find the “linked” notebook. “What fucking linked notebook?” Apparently, when I moved my “file” (shortcut) out of overdrive, they saw that as a deletion and DELETED the now referenced file they helpfully moved for me.
All of this without ever a single notification; Microsoft deleted years of critical notes with no recourse for recovery. It was just gone.
Ass holes.
Shit! I'm soon to go Linux and now there's one more thing for me ro figure out then. I have some stuff (not a lot, but some important stuff) on OneNote, lucky me that I made the switch to Obsidian a couple of years ago.
Recent ones I've been trying on Linux:
Logseq (Markdown only)
Flatnotes (Markdown & WYSIWYG)
MarkItUp (Markdown & WYSIWYG)
Trilium (Markdown & WYSIWYG)
By far, I'm enjoying Trilium over the others. Trilium can do LaTeX, while Flatnotes and MarkItUp can't (don't remember if Logseq can). That coupled with What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG) note taking - the kind of text editing like Microsoft Word, Apple Pages, or Google Docs - makes thing work just like OneNote. Plus, one of the things I was really looking forward to seeing in a Personal Knowledge Management System (PKMS) was a graphical/node map view of all my notes, which again Trilium does.
I'm actually considering making one of my old laptops a perma-server that I can run Trilium on so I can access it on both my new laptop, my phone, or pretty much any other device with an Internet connection.
Last thing I'll say is that it doesn't hurt to try everything and see what sticks!!! Before settling down on something permanent that works for you, that is.
+1 for Obsidian. Copy-paste to other pc = immediate access without setup. Plug & play. Also free.
Obsidian isn't open source, if OP or anyone else is concerned about that.
I use git to sync my md notes instead of obsidians paid sync service also. I’ll never go back to proprietary non-text based notes files.
If you do ever end up in that situation again, (or someone else is,) you can download the notebook by moving it into a folder in OneDrive. Then go to the web and use the option to download the folder. That will zip up the folder, with the real one drive files inside.
You'll still need to find an app to import them into your new note taker though.
That sucks, I'm sorry. I've been frustrated by OneDrive, but thankfully not to nearly the same extent.
Firstly, I did discover that it's not a setting you can just turn off, because that will suddenly remove all the personal files and folders that were backed up, until you turn it back on. I knew I could work around it, but dragged my feet. Still, it was the first big push that eventually convinced me to use Linux.
Secondly... it'll also do the inverse. I play Tabletop Simulator with my friends, and it backs up files to a OneDrive-covered folder. It quickly took up too much space, and to avoid all the warning signs designed to irritate me into subscribing for more storage, I tried to delete it. Turns out, that doesn't work, because OneDrive will assume it was an error and put those files back, and maintaining all those super helpful warnings about storage space.
So, whether you want to keep a file or get rid of it, don't worry, OneDrive can and will find a way to fuck it up.
I've never lost a single file on OneDrive. That's because I do not use OneDrive.
Eat shit, Microsoft.
Most don't realize they have it, or that they have a choice. It truly sucks is how few non savvy users realize that Microslop has removed their files and placed them on OneDrive instead (read "stolen.") Between that and unannounced silent Bitlocker encryption, Windows has become more dangerous and destructive than any ransomware out there.
OneDrive is the most aggressively stupid and evil file sync service I've ever used. Constantly upselling, actively re-enabling terrible defaults to maximize storage and bandwidth used, terrible at sync resolution when used with multiple systems, and punitive data loss when you try to disable excessive backups.
It's one of the main reasons I stopped using Windows at home outside a VM.
I have a personal vendetta against OneDrive because it literally holds your files hostage. It uploads your data without your consent and then threatens to cut off access to your own files unless you pay up. It actively fights you when you try to regain control, up to and including reinstalling itself once you finally manage to uninstall it.
It's the main reason I finally got serious about switching to Linux (which I have and it has been amazing)
I'm still mad though, fuck Microsoft. Evil assholes.
Happened to me at work where they force us to use Windows 11. I had turned on the autosave feature on a Word document I was working on. Little did I know this meant it stopped saving the changes locally and started saving them on a OneDrive copy. I then worked all day on that file.
The next day I notice the file on OD, find it odd that it is there so I delete it because I want nothing to do with OD. I then open the local word file and realize that none of the work I did the day prior was saved.
I figured out what happened and fortunately the file was still in the recycle bin. But fuck that whole system to begin with. It won't even let me use the autosave feature locally.
Go beat your IT department with hammers. I have roughly a decade in IT with primarily Windows in our environment. There's no reason for it to suck so bad in a corporate environment. They can disable it entirely very easily, or make it work amazingly well with some effort.
My workplace:
We redirect/sync My Documents and My Pictures to OneDrive seamlessly. If it's saved in either of those, autosave is on and it's the same file locally and on onedrive. Files saved follow to any machine. Viewable in explorer always, actually downloaded locally on the fly as needed. Obvious overlaid icon on every file to indicate if it's synced, syncing, or not available locally (when you're offline and can't connect to one drive). You can right click files and folders to easily adjust if they're always downloaded up to date locally or just on demand.
If there are any conflicts it can't auto-merge (usually only non-office docs) it saves them with the source computer name appended to the end of the file name so you have each version available, and it pops up a notification that stays until it is manually dismissed, so you know it happened.
If for some reason you're working on a document outside of the synced folders, office programs do not default to saving in one drive, they default to where the document was opened from or to "My Documents" for new docs, so shit doesn't get silently moved on you. I can and have had the same doc opened on multiple machines at once, made edits on each, and it worked just like live collaboration with other users.
It doesn't have to suck, and it's also easily disableable entirely in enterprise environments if your IT doesn't want to configure it well. We kept it entirely disabled from our environment until we had our config planned and thoroughly tested with a pilot group for a few months before we let it hit the company as a whole.
Our work does basically all of that…and I hate it. I can’t connect to the corporate One Drive without also being on the corporate VPN since it stores it all on the corporate Share Point server.
They have it set up so it auto deletes everything more than 2 years old. It doesn’t delete folders…so if you don’t look at something frequently all the sudden you just have a bunch of empty folders. Lost my entire ‘Useful SQL queries’ folder contents this way. I wrote them years ago…still useful but because I didn’t change them and just ran them. They’re deleted…WTF?
So now I get to go into the recycle bin in SharePoint and recover files it decided to delete every week. I’m so glad this is ‘saving me time’ and ‘preventing me from losing files’. I’ve lost more files to One Drive in the last year than in the last 20 of just using my local hard drive.
No... then they don't do what I'm talking about. I'm sorry you deal with the suck, but your IT team still gets hammers.
My workplace backs up to OneDrive itself. No requirement of work VPN, just sign in on a work machine with internet connection and confirm the MFA prompt.
Technically OneDrive is some unholy patchwork on top of Sharepoint Online, as evidenced by a ton of back end settings going through the SharePoint admin UI, but that's not relevant to the discussion.
I didn't even know it was possible to hijack Onedrive to point to SharePoint Server. For that matter who in the absolute fuck is still using Sharepoint Server? It went out of support two years ago, and extended support (at significantly extra cost) ends July 14th.
There is technically another On-Prem version past 2019, but it's obvious bare minimum life support.
Plus, Microsoft locks so many of their security and other features baked into Azure behind Office 365 E5 licenses that most places are just using those for Office etc, and those come with a shit ton of storage per-user in OneDrive and SharePoint online.
We also don't have auto-deletion turned on (yet). I've already done what I can to talk my boss out of it, but we will have options to prevent it on specific files and folders, as we already do with email (auto delete past certain age, unless it's in the archove folder. you can set up auto archive rules if you need, but there's rules on max space).
TL;DR- Your workplace does not in fact do "essentially what I described", which is a large contributor to the issues you've seen. Go get hammers and beat your IT staff with them.
Especially the Sharepoint Server shit. That's horrifying. No one should have to even think about touching that. Ewwww.
I have similar issue with Google.
At some point I used to use Google Photos backups. I wanted to delete the backed up files, but there's no way to do that. It would also delete them from the devices.
And I guess it checks them based on hash, because even in the main view it always figures out where the files are currently stored, if on device, even after I moved them elsewhere. Otherwise these other images only show up in their respective folders, not the main view.
Its been years since being able to save files on my laptop hard drive for work. Its all onedrive. The company uses it as protection - if the laptop is stolen theres no proprietary data on the drive. It also ensures if my laptop breaks all my work is intact.
The autosave feature is also linked to allowing several people to work on documents simultaneously. This is probably related to forcing onedrive use. You can share links to the files, and being able to edit simultaneously is useful. If you turn off autosave like I tend to do sometimes then when others open the file at the same time you all end up with your own version and cant see what the others are doing.
At home I use linux. I got fed up ages ago with MS stealing my files.
Linux welcomes all refugees
I moved one old laptop to Linux over about a year ago, and committed to an effort to actually make it do the things I wanted to do, like play games, and run Windows-only tools or find viable replacements. To say it went well is an understatement. Within a few months I had switched every computer I owned, and I'm never looking back again.
Granted, I was already quite familiar with Linux on the server side. This was not my first attempt to use Linux on the desktop, either. But it was my last, because I'm never going back to Windows ever again now.
This code is similar to the progress bar. When it reaches 100% do nothing for a while to keep people guessing.
Seeing all the horror stories in here makes me glad that I recoiled in horror the first time MS offered the idea of me putting my files on their computers instead of mine.
The problem is most users are unaware their files were being stored on the cloud in the first place. I had a friend who kept downloading mods on his computer only to have them not show up if he was offline. Turns out it was stored on their servers and not locally. All due to Microsoft making sure they stay as little transparent as possible and not warn users that their files are automatically being stored to onedrive.
We need heavy regulation against these sociopaths before it's too late. This is only going to get worse.
Honestly most of the issues with OneDrive are from one setting:
Files On-Demand - it's turned on by default. It uploads all the files in the drive to the cloud and then deletes them from the local computer. Its absolutely, fucking stupid and should be banned.
They are so lucky microslop auto installs the Windows Backup app ..... oh wait .....
Adding "cloud capabilities" during the slow death of capitalism wasn't the best idea. There are a lot of opportunists out there!
It's infuriating. They silently move all your files to their cloud and you don't notice. Then one day they tell you that you have filled your cloud quota and they want more money. Switching to local only is, by design, a huge pain that tends to go wrong.
sounds like MS is extorting users.
Windows is just malware designed to steal files and data from the people "stuck" using it.
I often wonder what Microsoft thinks their users do. I'm offline on my computer all the time, whether it's a plane flight or at a place without good WiFi, there's no replacing offline capabilities. Even when I am online, I don't live in silicon valley where there's fiber optic everywhere, and most Comcast users still live with a data cap, I don't want to offload everything onto my internet connection. OneDrive is supposed to be a tool to make switching computers and traveling easier, but the result of how they manage it is the opposite.
Wait, this is ... news?
Hasn't this been happening like, constantly, since they rolled out OneDrive?
I discovered this week that on three separate dates around a year ago, a bunch of files in my team's SharePoint were deleted. this went undiscovered until now because working with those projects was put on hold last year, and only the files themselves were deleted (not the folder structure).
if the folders had been deleted too, I might have noticed and thought "hey didn't we have something here?" but since only the files inside the folders and subfolders were deleted, and those files were not being worked with, I did not notice
tysm microsoft
I've struggled to find an epithet for MS that would really sum up my anger in a single epic childish insult. Problem is, they already surpassed anything I could come up with.
They are tiny and flaccid, and no one should pay them any mind.
Why handle files? Let big bro Microsoft handle them for you.
Does this not happen in Europe? Never known OneDrive to be so intrusive.
