The goons want an excuse to just start killing, raping and pillaging
this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2026
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Of course. Especially if they can do it right before midterms. Expect more radical ICE action in the immediate leadup to elections. That way he can cancel them for whatever made-up BS reason.
theyre already shooting people and hanging them in ICE detention?
to pretend theyre holding back it naive bullshit
Attacking ICE triggers the national guard.
No, the goons doesn't know that, that is why they are goons. Their major qualification is that they are fucking stupid.
They're literally failing the entrance literacy tests.
Question one: eat this crayon
What's the best outcome here?
No violence against the goons and they kill more people anyway and nothing changes?
Violence against the goons as an attempt to push back their force with equal force, the goons will then likely escalate the situation even further until all out civil war?
It sounds regardless the situation is bad and it certainly doesn't seem like a vote is suddenly going to turn back all of the chaos which has already been caused.
maybe you can respect the fact that you lose the election and all ppl that vote for trump did it while being in favor of his politics regarding illegal allien. You arent in 1984 or nazi germany. The majority of the population simply disagree with you. You can put yourself in danger but you will meet consequences. Thoses will be entirely your fault. Nobody gonna remember you, nobody gonna say that u were heroic and fight the good cause. U will simply die. Just look at how much person will even remember the name of the karen that died in one month ? She's not black or in any minority. It s white leftist women, like 70% of white women. Stop being dumb and beliving u can compete with state violence. You r just going to get yourself kill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Dictatorship_to_Democracy
TL;DR A livable society needs an active, engaged citizenry fighting for good things to happen. When a dictatorship arrives, that society has a lot of tools they can use to resist, for the simple fact that any dictatorship is basically just a handful of people at the top who are dependent on everyone else doing what they say. They're a lot more fragile than they seem.
I think the sad truth is it will take a few more deaths on the good side for them to be sufficiently radicalized. Once they are, and stsrt fighting back seriously, the deaths will continue but on both sides.
it certainly doesn’t seem like a vote is suddenly going to turn back all of the chaos
Why not? It's hard to know exactly what the state of things really is, but to me the best outcome would be that the current regime is removed through an election and their attempts to weasel out of it fail, like last time. Isn't avoiding this the whole reason they are trying to escalate?
Avoiding a civil war would be the best outcome.
It kinda depends on who replaces the regime, doesn't it? We already replaced Trump once and watched the Democrats completely fall short of reforming ICE or removing the fascists from their ranks. (all of them really). In fact, we increased funding for ICE significantly under Biden.
Establishment Democrats will fail again. It's what they are there to do. If we somehow manage to elect progressives that's another story.
In terms of a lasting fix, yeah, you would need people willing to make big reforms, especially reforms constraining executive power. But I think nearly any replacement would de-escalate the violence and greatly improve the chances of survival for the US republic, since it is actively being trashed right now.
I heard the same in 2020. It didn't work out that way. Establishment Democrats created MAGA and Trump just adopted them. The fascism keeps growing when establishment Democrats are in power, and even accelerates. It just does it beneath the surface to become evident later.
We can't tread water anymore. 2028 will be sink or swim. Democrats only think they have to be marginally better than Republicans and that bar is lower than ever. It's up to voters to nominate Democrats with higher standards.
I agree it's important to get the right people in, but I also think things could have gotten much worse by now if 2020 had gone the other way.
You are objectively wrong. Trump was far weaker in 2020 than 2024. Those four years got us project 2025 and gave Trump the time to build his current coalition. Corporate America wanted nothing to do with Trump in 2016 or 2020, but it folded immediately in 2024, thanks in large part to project 2025.
To be clear, I will not be voting for another corporate Democrat in 2028, and I'm far from alone in that. That time is over. There is no "going back" to before Trump.
So what do you think things would have been like if Jan 6 worked? I really don't think better.
Jan 6 working would have had a whole lot of consequences beyond just leaving Trump in power. I'm glad it failed.
If Trump has won the election, the world would have been significantly worse in 2020 than it was, but not nearly as bad as 2024. Democrats would have swept 2022 and would have been in a great position by 2024, and the corporate establishment would have a weakened hold on the party after the failure of Biden.
The Democrats now know that the 2028 election will be 100% a referendum on the Trump presidency, no matter who the Democratic candidate is. They are going to try to force in an absolute piece of shit like Newsom, and it will probably work just as well as Biden did. I can't wait for the Vance/Miller presidency in 2032. That will be great.
If a corporate Dem wins the 2028 primary, America is over. The general election will be irrelevant.
Well regardless I hope we even get a somewhat real 2028 election, let alone a 2032 one.
We won't, but the cheating won't be enough to save the Republicans from themselves. We don't even get real primaries from the Democrats, so I don't understand why you think we might get a fair general election.
the cheating won’t be enough to save the Republicans from themselves
Dunno exactly what you mean but I think it really depends, and one of the things it depends on is how violent things get and in what way. Also I said "somewhat real" not "fair".
Also I said "somewhat real" not "fair".
That's fair. Sorry I changed your words.
Dunno exactly what you mean
The polling is an absolute disaster for Republicans, and a greater than usual number of House Republicans have announced they aren't running again. Even with all the voter suppression and fingers on the scales, they can't make up those margins. Almost all the special elections have gone Democratic too, even in Trump areas.
Vesesuela might have helped Trump a bit with (some) Hispanics, but it's going to drive his numbers down with everyone else.
I think instead of a civil war, it will continue like The Troubles in Northern Ireland.
Random attacks, brutal crackdowns by corrupt police forces, and the authorities seeming to delight in fomenting further violence. For thirty more years.
Yeah I can see this too, unfortunately. I keep hoping for full fasc, rip up the constitution, civil war so I can claim political asylum where I am currently living.
No. The point is to accelerate.
whose point? the nazis, or the resistance?
Avoiding a civil war is not the best outcome for the fascists.
Delusional. You seem to have no idea how deep in it we are in.
Yes you’re reading it right.
The opposition has no leadership. The people masquerading as leaders are lying to us and working for the fascists which i believe to be the leadership of the dnc.
Gotta fix that problem first.
This is stupid. Trump will just make up whatever he wants. He doesnt need an excuses
I guess those incels are finally gonna get fucked by something.
"Let's just wait it out"
Reacting violently is exactly what the government would prefer so they can crack down more.
That’s the point of terrorism like this, they want reactions so they can continue.
They are going to crack down more when they see that there is no pushback to what they are doing. Trump is talking about every country he wants to invade in the next 3 years and you are saying we need to ride it out.
And here you are, doing nothing from a keyboard.
Like, everyone is a badass until it actually means doing something, “Warrior”
Oh neat is this a honeypot for cringey keyboard warriors? I’d love to see less of you!
How do you know that? You can only project what you are doing. Which is nothing, clearly.
I quite literally said it would only make it worse.
I see your reading comprehension isn’t as strong as your ability to respond three times to the same person!
It's literally only getting worse regardless. You're advocating for appeasement with people that literally want to kill anyone who doesn't agree with them
Exactly, it’s literally only getting worse regardless. I’m glad we agree.
When are you starting this rebellion you keep talking about, “warrior”? Or are you waiting for everyone else?
Just gonna go back to work this week like normal, right? That’s what real rebels do
They are going to do that regardless. They will make the excuse.
Why are they still waiting then
Literally Gorman from Andor
Are you silly? Those brainless goons would love to be martyrs for Dear Leader.
Why not link to the person actually making the point instead of the person saying they are thinking about the point? What is Paul adding here lol