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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think that European politicians talking about dissolving Europe should be considered traitors. Every single time when something leaks about politicians or influencers having weird positive opinions on Russia, it turns out they've been paid to do so.

Unite Europe, it's possibly the last bastion against fascism

[–] becauseitsfalse@sh.itjust.works -4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The last bastion against fascism 😅😅😅😅😅😅

The unelected european commission, run by a notoriously corrupted individual, who sends migration police to ship people back to lybia (if they're lucky enough not to drown) and just voted to create concentration camps is "the past bastion against fascism"

Lmao

[–] wieson@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago

Same as last time. De Gaulle in Algeria, Churchill in India, Stalin and the US guy in their own empires, they all did some horrible shite. Still they were the bastion against fascism.

[–] mpramann@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago

Not everything is a binary topic. Politics usually happen on a spectrum. If you have a look at history this was always true and it forever will be.

Yes there is lot to improve in the EU but compared to the US I think it's fair to hope for the EU being the sensible counter force.

what do we do with traitors?

[–] pendel@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Not gonna happen. The EU has a joint GDP as large as China but Europe is stuck in nationalism and not getting over its imperialist past in terms of mindset.

IMO all kids in the EU would need to learn native level English from kindergarten on next to their native tongue and English would need to become an official language next to the local language if applicable in all EU countries.

And then all administrative matters and everything would need to be bilingual. Then Europe could use its immense cultural heritage, history in unionizing, strong labor laws and social security networks (that should become EU wide) to attract skilled people.

But for that people would have to get over the idea that they are somehow superior to other cultures, which is not gonna happen, so an Indian software engineer will rather go somewhere else than e.g. Germany because they don’t want to be treated like shit.

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Then Europe could use its immense cultural heritage, history in unionizing, strong labor laws and social security networks (that should become EU wide) to attract skilled people.

That won't ever happen, the people running the EU are neolibs through and through and they've been dismantling all that for 30 years.

[–] pendel@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah unfortunately I agree with you.

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[–] Foni@piefed.zip 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This must be the tenth time a European leader has said something like this. PROPOSE SOMETHING CONCRETE, YOU MORONS. I'm not going to draft the treaty that puts that on paper; you do it, that's what you're paid for, you damn idiot.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They don't even need to propose anything, they already have all the rules in place. It's more about making all the leaders aggree that when Denmark will ask for help agains military invasion according to European agreements, the other counties wouldn't chicken out and try to appease a new dictator.
Spoiler: they will.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

already have all the rules in place.

Greenland is an EU overseas territory. There is no EU Article 42 defence. Denmark can still ask within Nato rules.

[–] fennesz12@feddit.dk 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm Danish, and I'd like to believe that the rest of EU would at least impose harsh sanctions, but I'm beginning to worry that there won't even be a strongly worded social media post.

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Lol, Von Der leyen would not sanction the US if Trump stole her undergarments, the EU (sadly) won't do shit. Maybe individual countries would wake up, but if they are like Spain, half the politicians live to lick republican boot.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Leader of my country already bent over backwards congratulating Glorious Leader on successful "special military operation" and all but wished him happy annexation

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 61 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Well, then Poland should quickly order more US tanks, just like Denmark recently ordered more F-35 to show what they think of the US threats...

I still don't know if it's funny or sad how always those loudly talking are then competing on who can kiss the US' ass better.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't it also became public the US could remotely "turn off" these F-35?

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

As far as I understand it, this is a (social) media exaggeration. But a lot of the F-35's capabilities, in particular the stealth and networking that are the main selling point, depend on constant adaptions and updates of the electronic systems.

Sure, we can talk about conspiracy theories of a possible killswitch backdoor hidden in the code. But that wouldn't even be F-35 specific. The more interesting aspect is logistics/spares and software updates for that very high-maintenance jet with modern electronics.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They also ordered 500 Korean tanks. Diversification is a thing, you know.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's not so much done for diversification but geography and economics.

Poland has regions where -just like in Ukraine- the average Western tank is at times to heavy to operate properly. The K2 is more than 10 tons lighter and Poland scrapped several original requirements to keep it that light because that's the whole point. Also the K2PL variant additionally comes with (partly) modular composite armor.

And Poland wants domestic production (and the neccessary tech transfer to facilitate it). Something that South Korea is allowing for better footing in the wider European market.

That doesn't make the decision for US Abrams as the main tank better.

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[–] rzadkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And f35s and apaches/blackhawks/chinooks (they can't decide the way in which we'll be fucked) and patriots and drones. And this is only the things i remember rn. They also want to get 250 strykers for free casue why not, we already have 4 types of MBTs so second wheeled APC wont make a differnce! Oh, and palantir!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I still don’t know if it’s funny or sad how

It's neither, it's infuriating, especially when you were against F-35 from the beginning.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm extremely confident in europe and the EU, it might be a bit late (hindsight is always easy but a decade in international politics isn't much) but I think there is a real "risk" that slowly we'll be the place to be and everyone else just a half-banana republic. Or so I feel.

[–] leavemealone@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Please explain a bit more because I see Europe in real danger in the next decade. (Far right rising, usa, Russia, China wanting to weaken us)

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There are and have always been bizarre political currents in europe (like the extreme left, and the revolutionary left bombing stuff in the eighties just as an axample), but it's not like the USA where everything catches fire at once, we're 27+ countries and they all pull in different ways, so far right expansion is something not to take lightly, but it will not be a walk in the park subverting the EU (fascists tend to need a sort of quick power grab) even if it can happen in distinct countries.

I also believe the Kremlin is behind lots of those problems, amplifying them and sponsoring far right parties. And it seems those days will come to an end or at least be correctly countered and not welcomed with open arms like in the last 20-30+ years.

So I'm quite optimistic for the long haul, we got some 5-10 turbulent years ahead but I'm confident we'll survive mostly.

[–] becauseitsfalse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah because people who want poor people to have rights and people who want to open gas chambers are both just "bizarre political currents"

God I hate germans

[–] saimen@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

That was before the EU...

[–] leavemealone@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I see Russian hands everywhere too, not just politically but in cyber attacks and industrial sabotage. The problem is the USA who already light sabotaged us as allies are turning full blown hostile under trump. Economy is stable but industry and job market are declining fast and AI will break this even more (not only a European problem though.)

But nationalism rising is what makes me more afraid as I fear countries leaving Europe under false pretense due to corrupted politicians (or controlled/blackmailed by foreign powers). I fear what is happening in the USA becoming the norm.

[–] msage@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (11 children)

What extreme left has been in Europe?

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