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So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 6 days ago

Follow the money.

See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?

Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.

Yup, it would take mass unemployment and the impoverishment of the average person to trigger anything like happened in 1920s Germany.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 23 points 6 days ago (7 children)

The world should at the very least be imposing economic sanctions on the US.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Not trading in US dollars and not using Swift is a silent opposition

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Russia invaded Ukraine and was immediately under many sanctions. I don't get why the world doesn't treat the US the same way. Aside from greed.

[–] bunchberry@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Obvious answer is that the USA is the world's largest economy while Russia is not, so if USA says "if you trade with Russia then you can't trade with me" then most countries will happily accept ceasing trade with Russia to remain in the US market but if Russia says the same about the USA then people would just laugh and go trade with the USA.

The only country that might have some leverage in sanctioning the US is China but China has historically had a "no allies" policy. Chinese leadership hate the idea of that because then they would feel obligated to defend them and defending another country is viewed very poorly in Chinese politics. They thus only ever form trade relations and never alliances, meaning if your country is attacked they have no obligation to you. Chinese politicians may verbally condemn the attack but they won't do anything like sanctions or even provide their own military support in return.

Huh, I didn't know that about China. TIL.

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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Greed, fear and dependency

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

WW3 fought in mainland USA…

The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think we want to see what the world's biggest military would do if there were large-scale attacks on American soil. This planet would be a smoking ruin before calmer heads prevailed. They lost their fucking minds for more than a decade after the WTC strikes and still haven't recovered, and are currently backsliding.

Man, fuck that.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I didn't say this should happen… I said I thought it's what would be needed for the usa to change

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

That change would only ever make things worse for everyone but Americans.

Cause all it would do is make America pull it's entire military budget from playing world corrupt police force. To super earth the prequel.

Win or lose, the last group to realize war is bad will be the USA. And that's a loss for everyone.

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[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.

Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The US has directly captured or supported the overthrow of multiple heads of state. Nobody has ever done anything and they won't now.

Too many Americans are actually supportive of this so there won't be any major domestic repercussions. Maybe some hearings in Congress.

America is not going to fix itself. The corruption is built in. For the last 50 years (roughly), the system has been changed to make the people dumb and complacent; to make the President a puppet king who answers to the wealthy.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Trump isn't a one-off outsider - he's what the Republican Party has been transitioning to. The attacks on Venezuela, while outrageous on a global scale, is actually more in-line with prior Republican presidents than most of this first year of Trump-2.

Bush Sr. did the same in deploying in the Middle East against Sadam Hussein, which Bernie Sanders notably called out. This was in 1991.

For decades the USA has been transitioning to fascism. Our schools teach obedience and have been cutting back civics courses and high-level analysis. Our workers are exhausted and struggling to make ends meet, many now working several jobs (normalized via the term "side hustle"). The media landscape has been bought by billionaires and oligarchs. Our culture of consumerism keeps us pacified.

I hate to be a doomer, which is all I've been for the last half-year, but time after time USAmericans have cobbled together sizable movements despite our disadvantages: Occupy Wall Street; The strong anti-war movements; Now the "No King's Protests". It's not working and I don't see how it will ever work. We have had massive protests, and our leaders laugh at us spit in our faces. They do not care. No amount of signaling our desires will make them care.

Call me a "radical" or an "accelerationist". I don't care at this point. Everything we've seen wrong with Russia and China is happening here, and we are doing as little as modern-day Russians and Chinese citizens. Peaceful protests are not working.

[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Mother Nature: cracks knuckles "lemme in, coach"

[–] Syndication@lemmy.today 6 points 6 days ago

Yellowstone errupts

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 days ago (5 children)

It's a slow, ongoing process. The more the US tries to use force to make countries fall in line, the more people look to alternatives. Countries that used to be unaligned are looking at China and countries that used to be aligned with the US are looking at playing the field.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

Yup. Sadly the US has handed the 21st century to China without a fight.

I remember what some Hong Kong dude said to me once... "China is the future, and it's a bleak future".

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 days ago

Invading NATO territory and triggering Article 5.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

STOP REPRODUCING

There's a reason that leadershit is absolutely pissing their pants about declining fertility rates.

The funny thing is that they'll try to shame us, bribe us, or even force us (e.g. via attacks on abortion rights and contraceptives). But they refuse to meaningfully address the underlying reasons why people are increasingly saying "no thanks, I'm good" regarding becoming parents.

[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.

Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.

[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's nowhere close to that level. The GOP/ MAGA has been eroding international trust in America for a while now, but realistically, everybody else is on the outside looking in, and even if America removed all women's rights, including the right to vote, or annexed Panama, all that would happen would be strongly worded protests and further political isolation of America from the rest of the world.

Nobody wants to fight a war against the USA, and barring something cataclysmic like an invasion of Mexico, nobody wants to sanction the largest market in the world.

TL;DR: America would have to become much poorer or much weaker before anybody does anything.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

SANCTION THE FUCK OUT OF US

Hit us where it hurts. Our wallets. Fuck our economy up (even more).

And if that doesn't work, start forming military alliances and building up your armies as a show of force.

I am here in America and I can tell you there are A LOT of dumbfucks here that can only learn through pain. So make it hurt. America needs to learn a lesson.

[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If we're talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.

Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in... But the new playbook like what we've we've seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word 'genocide' we don't have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that's dodgy.

Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US's pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it's own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.

The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world's nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

Dude Not the first time US has done this.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To stop this immediate idiocy, Trump has to have a massive stroke, just enough to debilitate him but necessarily replace him. MAGA isn't going to blindly follow Vance cause he's got zero MAGA charisma. The GOP controlled Congress is going to be stuck between implementing 25A or not, cause if they remove Trump they're committing political suicide.

So the best bet is for a lame duck government as a whole.

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

No country should be dealing with the US right now. Cut this country the fuck off.

Do not allow Preznit Fuckwit or any of his cronies in your country. Threaten with imprisonment since he is a disgusting multi-time felon who is also a pedo and a rapist. No decent country should let that type of thing step foot there.

Sanction. Do not buy American ANYTHING. The fucking morons who voted for this shit need to hurt. Im talking destitute. They need to have zero choice but to point their dirty finger at the source of their misery and accept that he is a con-- a fucking con!!-- and that their own stupidity is why they are not scraping by.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

WW3, that's literally it. The rest of the world has done jack and shit about Russia and Ukraine beside sanctions and providing resources. People like to meme about Canada being badass, but they have such a small military presence that NATO has been upset with them for about 5 years for not doing their part. Outside of that there is no one in North or South America that can stand up to the US.

Africa isn't doing much militarily. No one close to China is going to drop their guard to go after the US (Australia included since they have China breathing down their necks as well). That leaves Europe and the Middle East. The Middle East probably isn't going to do much and if the US takes Venezuela's oil then they need the Middle East even less.

Europe will probably spin wheels and denounce actions, but the important members of Europe are either 1.) part of NATO 2.) not prepared to defend themselves from Russia if they leave NATO. They can't meaningfully sanction a military ally without breaking that alliance and once that alliance is officially broken NATO doesn't have the US backing against Russia and also faces even more risk of Greenland or Canada being attacked by the US.

Best bet for stopping the US is Brazil, Russia, or China saying they will intervene for Venezuela, the EU and other NATO nations saying they won't support the US, and then BRICS all jump in to fight the US. Maybe this weakens the US and BRICS effectively passes NATO but now Europe is sitting in the crosshairs for Russia.

Honestly, trying to go against the US is more likely to cause the Republican leaders to dislike European or international opinions even more. Republican's have been complaining at home for 20 years about freeloading foreigners who spend their military budgets on lefty progressive ideas, foreigners complaining about US domestic policies, and all the while the US polices the world for them. It's this sort of foreign attitude mixed with Russian and Chinese propaganda which has caused the US to drift further and further away from a positive relationship with Europe. Trying to go against the US is more likely to cause a Nazi & Stalin dividing up Poland situation rather than hurting the US.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

If America is allowed to concentrate 100% of its military budget purely and ultimately for ourselves then everyone is fucked.

A large part of the balance of the world really comes down to America has 50+ years of spreading it self thin.

America going full ham on a proper war would not end well for anyone including the American people.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 points 6 days ago

Nothing, since they are all either scared, or part of it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It'll take the politicians in other countries being willing to say no to bribes from US corporations.

Because the actions that need to be taken involve sanctions on the US and seizing the assets (including patents and trademarks) of US-owned corporations. And refusing to act as a tax haven for them anymore.

But that would benefit everyone while lessening the ability of politicians to enrich themselves with money from oil stolen from Venezuela and money exploited from US citizens. Let's see how noble your politicians are. We know ours are shit.

Or maybe the AI bubble will pop and remove the incentive to kowtow to the interests of American corporations.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Maduro and Trump are friends

Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.

Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Nobody can outright militarily like, pull off assasinating the entire executive branch, which is basically what you'd need at this point, to actually stop this... bare minimum.

But what you can do is hasten our ongoing societal collapse untill we actually get to something like a Syria civil war scenario.

And how do you do that?

Well, you take advantage of our dogshit cybersecurity we have around lots of government systems and critical infrastrucure, which has surely been made much more secure with the recent drive to install highly exploitable LLMs everywhere they will fit... oh and I'm sure the experts at DOGE didn't leave any gaping exposed holes in anything...

And so anyway, you just turn off as much electricty and power and communications (yes that means the internet) as you possibly can, in a way that will keep them down for as long as possible and make it as difficult as possible to repair.

At that point, probably a good portion of the US collapses into complete fucking chaos within a week.

That chaos probably necessitates a reconfiguration of our global and domestic military deployments, and it fucks up our military logistics by way of basically destroying the economy.

Have that kind of a scenario play out?

Well, a whole lot of other major militaries are going to have a bit more of a free hand to do as they please, as we would be in utter disarray.

You don't even need to nuke us, not even high altitude EMP us, that's overkill, not necessary.

You just need to conduct the most extensive and most unauthorized cybersec pentest in the history of the planet, and we'll be dealing with bug reports for the rest of the century.

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[–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Kidnap their leaders while they sleep

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

I think losing an aircraft carrier would give the US serious pause. Outside that, no idea. Maybe we finally pull the trigger and nuke someone, and that scares the rest of the world enough to start actively sanctioning us. Maybe not, though.

It does seem like most of Europe, Canada, and East Asia are happy to be in the pocket of US financial interests. Even folks who don't like Trump haven't bothered to break away from JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs.

Nobody wants to risk fucking with the money of the global hegemon. And so long as the US is the wealthiest nation on Earth, what's going to deter them?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

And so long as the US is the wealthiest nation on Earth, what’s going to deter them?

I think the answer to your question is contained within the question. Americans are greedy people and a coordinated effort by China, Japan, and the UK could sink the US economy.

But I doubt that would even be necessary. Why kill someone intent on suicide? The US economy will likely collapse on it's own if it continues on the path it's on. I'm not talking about some recession like in 2008, I'm talking a collapse you've never experienced. Something similar to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Also if you were going down the military strike route, an aircraft carrier would be stupid. Trump has broadcast to the entire world what the achilles heal of the US is and it isn't the aircraft carriers. It's something that's dug up from the ground and needs to be processed by refineries.

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Internal collapse and/or a foreign coalition. If the US goes after Greenland I'd hope the rest of NATO stuck to their treaty obligations and fought back.

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