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We, the admin team, decry all forms of settler-colonialism, and we recognize that Zionism is a pro-settler-colonialist position.

Therefore we propose that should no longer be accepting of any Zionist accounts on our instances.

Please upvote for agree, downvote for disagree.

Note: we only count votes by instance members of dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus, plus a few vouched-for external users.


Hi mateys, I've kept things simple in the above text, for brevity, but in fact it took the admin team quite a while to get to this stage. We have discussed the policy change extensively, and a variety of different perspectives emerged. I will attempt to sum them up below as best I can:

  • The "this isn't that complicated" school of thought goes something like this: If someone is consistently posting comments that mirror Hasbara talking points (e.g. justifying the genocide in Gaza, consistently painting Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the victim), then they should be instance banned. It's just not acceptable for Zionists to be allowed on our instances.

  • The "slippery slope" / "purity test" school of thought is that banning people for having an "unpopular" political opinion would potentially mean banning half the fediverse, if more and more of these policies were enacted over time. To attempt to mitigate this we are keeping the scope of this rule as narrow as possible, and I also don't think many of our users will be affected. Also, we typically don't have frequent policy changes, and I have no reason to expect that to change moving forward.

  • Another important discussion point was "how do we decide whether someone is pro-Zionist or not?" We can't always be 100% sure of someone's true intentions, we can only go on what they have posted and that is subject to interpretation. I don't feel there is an easy answer to this one, except to say that we would have to be pretty certain before issuing a perma-ban.

  • The "geopolitics don't matter" school of thought is that trying to be on the "correct" side of every issue is kind of pointless because nothing that happens in lemmy chat forums will ever make an ounce of difference in the real world. Don't bother moderating users over political/ideological differences, just let people argue if they want. While I can totally empathize with this sentiment, I can also see the case for taking a clear stance on this topic in accordance with our values and the overwhelming support for the Palestinian cause among our users. Personally, I am advocating in favor of the resolution.

Please add your comments below if you want to provide your own thoughts on the topic, or have any questions.

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[–] div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago) (1 children)

Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591 Early Bird: a parrot, orangered colors Jolly Roger: an icon of pirate jolly roger skull wearing a hat, in orange-red, black and white colors A book with a loaf of bread in the cover  in orange-red, black and white colors Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color

This is a simple majority vote. The current tally is as follows:

  • For: First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color (5), Vouched: a minimalist compass icon. Orangered color (2), MVP: a star icon, in orange-red, black and white colors (1), Threadiverse Enjoyer: An icon of a doubloon with a black hole in the center in orange-red, black and white colors (1), Deck Hand: An icon of anchor crossed with two staves in orange-red, black and white colors (2), Powder Monkey: An icon of powder barrel in orange-red, black and white colors (2)
  • Against: Threadiverse Enjoyer: An icon of a doubloon with a black hole in the center in orange-red, black and white colors First Mate: a pirate ship's steering wheel, orangered color
  • Local Community: +2.0
  • Outsider sentiment: Supportive
  • Total: +13.0
  • Percentage: 88.00%

This vote will complete in 1 days


Reminder that this is a pilot process and results of voting are not set in stone.

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[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

zionism and anarchism are mutually exclusive idealogies. you cannot believe in solidarity for all mankind and also support an ethnocutural supremacist movement.

I support banning zionists from dbzer0 to match them being banned on Anarchist Nexus.

[–] heckypecky@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Was there a specific incident(s) that led to this course of action?

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 1 points 1 hour ago

dataprolet was brought up in the matrix chat the other day, and it was decided somebody should make a gov post about whether or not someone like them should be associated with the rest of us.

[–] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ban the motherfuckers, I'm tired of seeing Zios post their apologia and propaganda all over the internet anyways. People hand wringing about it in the comments need to shut the fuck up and read the god damn code of conduct.

One thing I'll say is that this'll probably put more load on the admins, so I hope y'all have factored that in. It'll be well worth the effort in my opinion, both to protect our m@teys (did that ever take off?) at large as well as our Muslim, Arab, and Levantine friends.

[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Dead set against.

To expand on that statement, I wholly agree that certain points of view have no place here or anywhere else for that matter. What I am opposed to is codifying what seems to me to be a weak definition of a term. That is a recipe for creating an oppressive tool that can be used to crush discourse.

Do we not already have ample policy in place to deal with the offensive parties without the need for further rules that are primed for misuse?

Additionally, your opening sentences read as very hierarchical and your initial decision to set a short expiry comes across as an attempt to sneak in a change under the radar.

I personally feel that you should take at least a short break as an admin of the instance.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

What discourse that could be misconstrued as pro-Zionist can potentially be lost and how valuable could that lost discourse be?

And then what discourse do bad faith actors get to push through from our misfiring on tolerance, and what are the consequences of that?

Above questions are admittedly rhetorical (or at least I have my own answers already), the ones below are genuine.

How do you reach a conclusion that the admin who posted the governance question should step back for some time, when the phrasing indicates discussion among the admin team and the presentation of multiple (even somewhat mutually-exclusive) points of view?

If we already have tools and policy for dealing with unacceptable content, what about codifying specifics for Zionism enables abuse of our existing tools? The proposal outlines that it aims to be narrowly scoped for that reason. If you consider Zionist content unacceptable, how would you need it defined?

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Loving y'all's instance more and more by the day.

[–] div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't know what this means bot. But I'm here for it!

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