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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/40818280

If there's anything we should take from Japan, it's treating cars like second class citizens behind transit instead of the other way around. The cute tiny cars are more a side effect of that.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Another problem with this idea that isn't mentioned in the article, comments I've yet seen:

Japan has well maintained road infrastructure in their urban areas.

The US does not.

Hit an American pot hole in one of these things, now its time for a completely new suspension, if you haven't totalled the car.

A sad kind of self reinforcing logic of giganto cars and trucks everywhere is that they massively worsen and degrade road quality far more than conventional sized cars..., yet they're also the only things big enough to be more likely to shrug off the effects from the very damage their rampant overuse causes.

The other problem of course is that these are so small, that with as many SUVS and literal WW2 tank sized trucks as we have, they would be be unsafe... you just can't defeat the mass and kinetic energy difference involved in a collision when the thing hitting you weighs, I dunno, 5x as much.

You could theoretically, say, totally revamp NSHTA and the CAFE standards, and pass something like a tax on heavier cars used for personal transit... and use that to subsidize/kickstart/incentivize domestic kei car manufacturing...

... but that would require an actual competent set of planners, and a functional government.

Which we obviously don't have.

So we're not even at step 0, not even at step -1, we are currently still undergoing an unprecedented constitutional crisis, debt/currency crisis, and general economic collapse.

Might maybe just wanna think about laying the foundation before doing the electrical.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I drive what amounts to a Kei car, it seats 4, it's about 3.5m long, weighs just over 1000kg.

It's not so bad if you drive conservatively, remind your family every day that you love them, and update your will every year.

[–] beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah Fred sucks some years and other years he doesn't suck.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Please do. Unfortunately, he actually has no intention of doing so and is only trying to get US auto manufacturers over a barrel so he can rape them blind and push his more pollution agenda to make cars worse and less safe. It's blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention. He says one thing to scare a market into a panic so they bow down and kiss the ring. I can't believe y'all are this dense?!

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I think it's slightly more nefarious than just narcissism. A bunch of people trading, manipulating the market, trading again, then undoing it.

Tarrifs usually need to be planned a couple of years ahead, since it affects logistics, etc. Trump's administration irresponsibly announces mindbogglingly significant changes to tarrifs, with almost immediate effect, then undoes it over the weekend because "it was a misunderstanding", or some other flavor of incompetence.

[–] unsettlinglymoist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If you all did even the slightest bit of research you'd see that kei cars are significantly less safe than regular cars and that's due mostly to their design and size, not just because of the presence of bigger cars on the road.

This community LOVES cars, I've never seen such rabid love of cars. You all just hate big cars.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

At what point did their safety come up? I said he wants to make US cars less safe, like through deregulation. Us Monster vehicles are so they burn as much gas and materials as humanly possible. Cars could be cheap, but there's no money in that.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Maybe a progressive federal tax based on some ratio of weight/seats/length, or some thing like that, with exceptions for commercial use could incentive cars with saner dimensions.

[–] grahamja@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

On my 5th year in Japan, bikes and public transportation are great. Kei cars are amazing, but going over 60 mph is not really a thing. If we could eliminate lawns and get the same population density from Japanesw villages / cities into the US it would make more sense.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 88 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Japanese charmed the fuck out of him.

Imagine a Democrat bringing Kei trucks to America. Fox News would’ve been holding rolling coal rallies with F-450 Super Doody.

Also imagine a Democrat rescheduling marijuana.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Only Nixon could go to China, as they say.

Because if a Democrat had tried to normalize relations between the US and Maoist China the Republicans would have crucified him. But when their own leader tells them to do it, it suddenly becomes a great idea.

If Republicans didn't have the principle of groveling to whoever's in charge of their party, they'd have no principles at all.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Get rid of the big fucking trucks first

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

We already have motorcycles. No reason not to brinng in Kei trucks.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Target practice for all those hamster-dicked macho men in their giant ass trucks which they don't even use as trucks.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 69 points 2 days ago (32 children)

“It’s easy to want to drive one of these cute kei cars. It’s another thing to put your family in them and travel down the highway at 70 mph between a Suburban and an F-150,” said Tifani Sadek, director of the University of Michigan Law School’s Law and Mobility Program.

Making sure people can't get small car because of big car does sounds like concern about safety at first, but it's just a hidden way to say car need to be bigger and bigger, hence throwing safety of everyone else out the window and stop people from having preferences. Where's the freedom fighter when you need it.

And why do they call her an "expert" when her main job is teaching anf study about law and not safety. Her opinion is not more valuable than mine.

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I fucking hate when people say they prefer an SUV or a truck because they feel safer or because of the "increased visibility". It especially bugs me coming from people who generally hold more progressive views because one of the reasons driving is so dangerous is due to the proliferation of large vehicles, so what they are essentially saying is very analogous to "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun".

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Different visibility though. When I was younger and everyone drove similar sized cars, you had much better visibility while driving since you could see through or around everything. Now too many vehicles are just huge blocks of steel: cant see beyond the car in front of you, can’t see next to you, can’t see behind you past that wall of steel. It’s an “arms race” to prevent others from blocking your view.

Consider driving up to an intersection, then a huge truck pulls up in the other lane: now you can’t see and may have to wait for him to go just to be able to see. And of course if you still can’t turn, there may be another huge truck pulling up to block your sight linesagain. Very frustrating. UCertainly the fact that stop lines are ignored is part of the problem, but if my car were the same height as yours, at least I’d behave a partial view

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Not to mention they will be the one that causing others visibility issue...

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but this is a legitimate concern in the US.

In most of the world, safety checks for cars include making sure that they are safe enough for people outside the car. There are rules about crumple zones and sharp edges, that effect how they hit pedestrians, and what they can do to other cars. 

You can't drive a cyber truck in Europe or the UK. In the US, it's a free for all. 

If you want smaller cars/trucks back on the road, you need to copy the safety laws from countries where people drive small cars.

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

Sounds to me like those oversized cars are a safety risk and something should be done about that

It's more an indictment of the average American driver.

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[–] Pistcow@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even broken clock is right once a day...

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Assuming it's a 12 hour clock, a broken clock is right twice a day

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A stopped 12-hour analog clock is right twice a day. A broken clock can be right any non-negative integer number of times per day.

And Trump also helped finish off the penny, so that makes twice anyway.

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I loved these little boxy cars when I was in Japan. I'm all for this!

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I just want something akin to my late Honda Element. Loved that vehicle. (Even if it was a pain to work on!)

They refuse to make another like it!

I see a lot of boxy cars like that which seem to be Japan-only! I'd like to see more come here. (Maybe they could upsize a tiny bit for the REALLY long drives in the U.S haha.)

[–] hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

They refuse to make another like it!

Unfortunately, thank CAFE regulations. It's basically impossible to make a tall boxy car in the US that meet the regulations, because fuel efficiency targets are based almost purely on how long and wide the car is. It's way easier to make a car bigger than it is to make it more fuel efficient, so unfortunately that's what manufactures have to target.

While I'm all for efficiency regulations, CAFE is so unbelievably stupid that it desperately needs to be reworked.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I don't hate the idea of making Kei cars available for niche needs. I live in a small town and I can commute and get groceries without ever going on the highway. The town is too small for public transit to be any good (seriously it takes a 1 hour bus ride with transfers for a drive that would take 12 minutes in a car). But a kei car would be perfect for this.

Also kei trucks are amazing. If it can convince some people to not daily drive a huge pickup truck just in case they need to move a couch one day it would be worth it.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When I was in nyc a few weeks ago, I saw Amazon delivery cargo bicycles/tricycles that seemed to work great in that environment, and despite the weather. I’m sure a big part of it was the protected bike lanes are everywhere, but delivery by those must be much faster and safer than trying to navigate a truck across Manhattan. Some of those were as big as Kei cars

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