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Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is 'making Russia the enemy' - BBC News

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 130 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Idk man, I don't remember the west forcing you to invade your neighbor for imperialist reasons.

[–] Aliktren@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Not to mention Salisbury

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 84 points 3 months ago (19 children)

Regularly attacking their neighbors is what makes Russia the enemy.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Came here for this. Yeah, you’re the enemy because you invaded another country, and have been trying to gaslight the rest of the world about it ever since. In fairness, though, the gaslighting has worked on one particular idiot.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 3 months ago

And all the not quite attacking but still hybrid warfare and desinformation didn't help. All kinds of drones going over militairy locations in Europe is not a real token of friendship. Fighter jets skimming the borders are also not seen as a peaceful greeting.

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[–] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Always has been the enemy and always will be the enemy certainly as long Putin remains in the Kremlin.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

We are making Russia our enemy.

  1. Poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko (2004)
  2. Energy blackmail (2006)
  3. Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (2006)
  4. Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko (2006)
  5. Murder of Sergei Magnitsky (2009)
  6. Energy blackmail II (2009)
  7. Creation of Internet Research Agency, aka troll army (2013)
  8. Started war in Crimea, illegal annexation (2014)
  9. Started war in Donbas (2014)
  10. Shootdown and coverup of MH17 (2014)
  11. Started supporting dictator Assad in Syria (2015)
  12. Assassination of Boris Nemtsov (2015)
  13. U.S. election interference I (2016)
  14. French Election interference (2017)
  15. Sergei Skripal poisoning (2018)
  16. Brexit referendum influence (2018)
  17. U.S. election interference II (2018)
  18. Tiergarten assassination (2019)
  19. Navalny poisoning (2020)
  20. U.S. election interference III (2020)
  21. COVID-19 disinformation campaign (2020–21)
  22. Full-scale invasion of Ukraine (2022)
  23. Bucha massacre (2022)
  24. Weaponization of energy against EU (2022)
  25. Forced deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia (2022)
  26. Migrant weaponization (2023)
  27. Rheinmetall CEO assassination plot (foiled) (2024)
  28. Election interference in Moldova & Georgia (2024)
  29. U.S. election interference IV (2024)

Russia is doing nothing wrong.

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget 2015 Jade Helm Scare, where they were testing their ability to manipulate using crazy stories on social media. Russia was able to convince gov Abbott of TX to order the TX National Guard to observe training exercises in Central TX because he was convinced that Obama had ordered the army to go into Walmarts, turn them into makeshift detention facilities and was planning to round up people that voted against him in a hostile takeover of the state. Obviously, it was just a training exercise, but the fear on the right was extreme.

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[–] lietuva@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's chechnya war and Georgia invasion, both which happened after fall of USSR

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 3 months ago

Also the colonization of Africa to steal all their gold and minerals while propping up warlords in exchange for armed Russian mercs that crush dissent. That's happening right now.

[–] BoycottTwitter@lemmy.zip 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (21 children)

Don't invade other countries. Don't interfere with other countries' elections. Considering Russia helped Trump get elected twice and tried three times I'm very angry at them.

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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 43 points 3 months ago

Have they ever tried not being everyone's enemy

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think maybe Russia is making Russia the enemy.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

All they had to do was nothing.

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[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It's pretty obvious to everybody that Putin is making Russia the enemy. He didn't have to do that; Europe desperately wanted Russia to be a friend, but Putin had other ideas. It's his conscious and explicit choice to make Russia the enemy, and he's the one constantly talking about being at war with the west. Nobody else js doing that but Putin.

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[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 months ago (19 children)

1990-2013 I saw Russia as friendly'ish even when they fought in Chechnya etc.

2014-2021 wtf. maybe they are not so good? what's next?

2022- Russia is definitely the enemy

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I remember working in the early 2000s with Russian institutes and things were really good.

2008 was when I recall the first "wtf", in the war with Georgia.

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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Putin is what I imagine it would be like if a Bond villain won.

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 23 points 3 months ago

Plus we have dementia Goldfinger in charge across the way

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 28 points 3 months ago
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Russia is making Russia the enemy. If they don't like it, they can stop that today, by ending the war, and stop being massive dickheads.

[–] nadram@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Like blaming the victim for sexual assault

[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol how can he say that with a straight face.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 16 points 3 months ago

He's just angry Europe is arming itself quickly and ruining all his plans for further conquest.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Russia routinely makes itself the enemy by always making threats and forcing themselves on others

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Classical abuser logic: they made me do it!

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago

Do you mean to tell me Ukraine started this senseless war? No? Then fuck off you dumb old man.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Just like laws make a murder a criminal.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Between the invasion of Ukraine, the troll farms helping inflict Trump on us, the support for fascist parties, the novichok, the airspace incursions, the underwater cable sabotage, and the deployment of drones in western countries' airspace, that Russia's the one who has made Russia the enemy.

Don't fuckin' DARVO us, Puto, we know what you're up to. And we know that the only way this ends satisfactorily is with Putin on a meat hook.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago

The invader says this?

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Vlad and his MAGA buddies can piss in the wind. GTFO of Ukraine (includes Crimea), East Prussia, Karelia, and the Northern Territories.

[–] gergolippai@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

All you do is invade your neighbouring country and commit war crimes, and suddenly you are labeled as the enemy... people are so cruel!

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

If the shoe fits...

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Literally 2 posts up on my feed:

This is great for distracting people from the real reason things are getting worse everywhere.

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[–] Ibisalt@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

fuck putin. end of story.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 3 months ago

classic DARVO

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