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xkcd #3182: Telescope Types

Title text:

I'm trying to buy a gravitational lens for my camera, but I can't tell if the manufacturers are listing comoving focal length or proper focal length.

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Source: https://xkcd.com/3182/

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Do not drink the liquid mirror!

I repeat. Do. Not. Drink. The liquid mirror!

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 10 points 3 days ago

But I’m so thirsty meow.

[–] TheHotze@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

But its shiny, and smells interesting.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago

Instructions unclear, drinking straw stuck in telescope.

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Forbidden juice…

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But bathing in the telescope is still fine, right?

[–] psoul@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

You can only do it once

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Core was possibly the worst movie I've ever watched. Seeing that here gave me PTSD.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 3 points 2 days ago

Ehh, it's like most of the extinction-event movies of that time. It's dumb at points, but if everything was realistic, everything would be pretty damn boring. It's in my top 10 of that genre.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Had to sell my Meade LX200 12" to pay for medical bills a number of years ago. Made me very sad.

[–] StThicket@reddthat.com 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How to say you're from the US without saying you're from the US. Sorry, man.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Very much got USA'd in the middle of trying to grow a business. Ended up losing basically everything and starting over in life, out of everything though, that telescope was the only thing I really miss.

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Please accept this hug from an internet stranger that is likely heading down the same road... hoping the symptoms end up being a huge nothingburger, but if not then I'm going to miss my hobbyist equipment.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The good news, is after you lose everything at least once, life broadly becomes a lot less scary. Best wishes and I hope you land on your feet whatever the results.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Narcissian... Also known as a mirror.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago
[–] psoul@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Also known as the cabinet of curiosities, the door to the world that should not be seen, Medusa’s bane.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

funny mirror

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/3182:_Telescope_Types

I missed some puns as it seems. E.g. the comoving or proper distances in gravitational lenses. Or the spicy liquid mirrors.

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Anyone want to tell me how the telescopes where the mirror is in the middle of the aperture sometimes still show the image without a big dot/wires holding the mirror in what you see? It's smack in the middle you'd think it would block the view.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The wire will cause the entire image to become a little bit darker.

in a telescope light travels in many paths from start to finish. so a single wire will have a very soft shadow, which stretches over the entire image. This works because the wire is well within the focal length. If the wire was exactly at the focal length, it's shadow would be sharp, but the farther away it is from the focal length, the softer the shadow will become.

edit: when the object is exactly at the center of the image, then I think it will still cast a sharp shadow, because all the light-paths that go through the center, stay close to the center. Not sure though

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago

The wires also bend the light which makes the stars not look like points but gives them prongs.

[–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

for similar reasons cracked camera lenses take perfectly normal pictures

definitely a bit counter intuitive at first

[–] KingRandomGuy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Like others have mentioned, the spider (the wires) and the secondary do shadow some light that would otherwise reach the primary. It also results in some artifacts due to diffraction; the view ends up convolved with the Fourier transform of the aperture. This is why on Hubble images, you see cross shaped stars, as that's the shape of the Fourier transform of its 4-strut spider.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 days ago

It will only affect it materially if they cross where the light is converged / infocus. So if you put a big piece of paper where the wires are, the image will be blurred. So if you look at the wires from the focal point, they are also blurred enough to be able to see what's behind them

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not an expert, but as far as I know, you nearly never see a true single picture, but always a combined one. So they take multiple slightly overlapping pictures who are seeing the hidden middle spot of other pictures.

This also helps by making sure what you see on one picture is also there on other pictures and not just a random dust particle in the air or some other thing on earth/in its atmosphere rather than an object in outer space.

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Is that tv made of unobtainium

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Narcissian LOL