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[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 87 points 2 months ago (6 children)

From the article:

Not the feminism aimed at merely—in the words of psychology professor Darby Saxbe—"emulating men and outcompeting them on the terrain they have constructed.” Not the feminism the late bell hooks called “trickle-down theory: the [flawed] assumption that having more women at the top of corporate hierarchies would make the work world better for all women, including women on the bottom.”

No, the feminism that fights for a society where everyone of all genders has more time and energy to care about people outside of work.

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 months ago

Reject Pop/Girlboss Feminism embrace Gender Liberation!

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Trickle-down feminism is an ingenius way to describe that whole subject ngl.

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[–] jaselle@lemmy.ca 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Cut away the fluff of the article, and what they're actually saying is: interact with your community and help out your friends more. I think this is good advice for women too, it would probably be good for me.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Couldn't agree more. I have very loose friendships with old high school buddies and we rarely hang out. My wife however is doing something with her friends 2-3 times per week, having "women only" retreats, calling them almost daily, buying them birthday gifts even if they live out of state, and so on. She's infinitely more connected to a community than I am and for some men I think it's a real challenge to put themselves out there and to try and build up that trust and dependence to a certain degree. Men like to think we're Batman: we want a bare minimum of relationships so they can't be used against us.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 13 points 2 months ago

I was going to say there are many flavors of feminism from basically communism to gloria stienman. The interact with your community and help everyone to do well is the type that jives with me. hull house style.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 31 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I'm not sure if this is intended as ragebait or you wanted to pull readers in but please for the love of god stop saying the cure for men's problems is feminism. Its the most performative male thing ever.

This guy does not get it. He will never reach the average man with his message. It is a similar to the redpill message but worded in a worse way and has tons of political baggage shoved in.

Its so reductive to say "just care" as if lonely men are going around having all these social interactions but the problem is that they aren't caring hard enough. Bro the problem is they are NOT having social interactions. Saying "you just need to talk with your partner about the division of house hold labour" or "have you considered watching over your friends children?" they dont have a partner, they dont have friends thats why they are lonely. "You just need more free time" free time won't do shit they have enough free time thats not the issue.

We’ve been told that anything outside of going to work or optimizing ourselves by lifting weights, sitting in ice baths, and pounding creatine isn’t worth much. That caring for others isn’t a “productive” or “efficient” use of our time. That someone else will always end up doing it. That we’re not supposed to do it because women are naturally, biologically designed for it and we’re not (which is untrue). That if we do it, we’re less valuable, like a woman, less of a man.

No we havent. No one has ever said this. I hate this stupid meme that men are raised as souless golems. Every man enjoys being around people and laughing. Everyman enjoys having a relationship. The problem isnt that they dont value it or "society has told them they can't". The problem is they not comfortable enough to put themselves out there and expose themselves to the social risk that comes with making friends or dating.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

because saying stupid crap like 'feminism is the answer' is easy. 'just follow these simple steps and your it will all be magically fixed!!'

fixing real social problems... are very very hard. and pointing out the legit real problems... and people don't want to do the work. the problems are decades in the making and deeply entrenched in the culture and the economy, and most people are totally allergic to the solutions.

amen for poitning out the sexist biases of these articles. men are not 'less than' by default. or 'less than' for not adhering to some social ideal that we must all be happy success machines. god forbid we just be average and content.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This reeks of the same type of stuff as "just get outside to cure your depression" or "have you tried just not thinking like that?" for mental health issues.

If someone could be reached by telling them "just reach out, its that simple", they weren't the ones we need to be reaching. For sure it'd help, and there may be some people this resonates to. If so, great for them. But we have a major problem with isolated men, and those usually aren't ones who this will be helpful for, any more than an article addressing the mental health crisis by saying "just try more" solves that problem.

I think we need to be reaching out, but IMO the focus isn't on using words that are incredibly loaded, particularly for those people we're trying to reach and connect with. Those of us who are doing better should be reaching out, like the author said, and making those connections, but that won't solve this loneliness crisis.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

like any social issue, reaching out isn't doing shit. you can't 'reach out' to the homeless really.

what you need to do is change the material conditions such that homelessness isn't an appealing option... you have to give people opportunity. and we are living in a society that is destroying opportunity and then shifting the blame back on individuals for being 'failures' for not somehow squeezing blood out of a stone.

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[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's a struggle. I try to do this with my union hall. Try and get out there and make connections with people. It comes a little easier when you're thrusted into social interactions ,because of your children, as a parent.

It's so much easier to just disassociate.

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[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You gotta find ways of disguising it though. Fuckers get allergic reactions to words that sound all pink coded and woke

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's hard to feel welcome in a discussion where every male gendered term is something bad.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Woah, necropost 🖐️ Pretty easy to avoid places like that. Or at least stick to lurking. Lurking is great, nobody yells at you for not being perfect

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unless you want to talk about gender issues then that is not an option.

Also, I did not realize how old that post was.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No worries, it means you're already doing literally what I suggested 😅 yeah some people aren't going to be open to talking with someone who they perceive has hurt them recently, even if you're literally just some guy who had a question.

Feminism as an idea has come around because most of us are wounded. Everyone's still in their own journey end probably gonna be shitty sometimes, especially in an online place where they're accustomed to venting. But hey, this is a place for male centric gendered issues. The sub on reddit was a pretty chill place too, when I was there. I'm a messy problematic fucker and I've never had anyone here scold me.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll be honest. I never felt more like giving up then when I was using that sub. Most of it falls onto the same issues of the broader gender discussion.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

There's something to be said about how narrow specific gender issues are interlinked with broader ones. But that's kind of a deep cut that's prone to scaring people away. Just curious, do you think this comm feels different then the reddit sub did?

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not enough posts to really say.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Well, would you want to try starting a thread? If it's about the male experience than people here will be able to relate right?

I'm personally too afraid of the internet to be a certain level of genuine on a self-post, so if you do want to talk about something feel free to message me. I might not be able to relate but I don't scold, I just correlate everything with industrial history because I'm batshit crazy.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I got the same issue. I don't care what conservatives have to say to me. But it's different when it comes from liberals

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago

Facts, yeah. There kind of isn't room sometimes to be ignorant or on the wrong side of a power dynamic whether or not you actually used that power.

Stick around, though. There's conversations happening here that years ago I would not have dared bringing up in front of people even if they were trying to change or escape the same burdens of masculinity I am.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Using no true Scotsman type arguments to define gender equality is distractingly bonkers. Otherwise, well written and interesting read.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The cure for male loneliness is a better economy, as in improving their material conditions. not ideology.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (6 children)

What if I told you that feminism is part of a better economy?

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yeah, sure. Feminism is a magic catch all for everything that's good.

Feminism is a force for good, but it's not a magic fucking word that fixes everything.

[–] FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (21 children)

No it isnt. Community existed before capitalism and will exist after, too.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

It would be nice if we could set aside our petty differences to build towards a sustainable future for all. I believe that would fix most of our current problems. But that gets in the way of profits or whatever.

[–] CalloftheDirtyWhiteBoy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

I think a large part of the very real issues in hetero relationships do come from patriarchy. But there is now a life-style genre of gender grievance and content. Heteropessimism sells and there is engagement from women who are tired of men, men who are tired of women, and either who is tired of the discussion.

But it generates ad revenue.

The issues are very real, and we benefit from learning more and engaging with feminist theory and praxis. But at some point we have to stop engaging and meet people where they're at.

Like even if you engage with a lot of theory sharing a great deal of what you learned could be called "performative." Get out of the doom scrolling cycles and engage with women in your community.

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