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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 82 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

I work in an operating room, and have been around long enough to see multiple pieces of perfectly good equipment get replaced just because it hit the manufacturer's end-of-life date.

I'm talking things like a several-hundred-thousand dollar microscope for microsurgery.

Basically that date means if the microscope fucks up somehow, the vendor takes zero liability, and any legal expenses fall onto the hospital... so we trash it and buy another one. Rinse and repeat after another few years.

That end-of-life date is always crazy early, and is like that 100% because the manufacturer knows hospitals would rather just treat a quarter million dollar microscope as disposable than accept liability for an equipment fault.

The waste is unreal.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Does this make hospitals good for dumpster diving? I'm only half kidding, but really, how would you dispose of this stuff? Would you just donate something like that to something less immediately critical to life like a research or education facility?

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One of my old jobs had a pallet full of perfectly good PSUs, o-scopes, H bridges, and a bunch of miscellaneous data cables. They were all gonna be trashed either because their projects were cancelled or had a minor flaw they didn't want to fix. My buddies and I rescued a bunch of equipment before the company padlocked it. My advice is be discreet. Companies hate it when people recover shit they throw out whether it be perfectly good equipment or food.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That makes me really sad. Our town dump has a pay-to-dispose system for electronics like that. It's $15 to dump anything from laptops and monitors, to ancient hulking mainframes, industrial equipment, stage lighting, and all manner of other unwanted electronic things which doubtless spent time rotting in someone's attic or basement before finally being considered as trash and hauled off for disposal. The disposal container has always had a "no scavenging" sign that I would ignore, and I've found some pretty sweet loot in there. Stuff like whole gaming PCs whose only problem is a single bad component, vintage analog turntables I've cleaned up and repaired, etc.

Recently, the shipping container in which these items are placed by their former owners was moved to a new spot under an existing security camera, and a sticker system was implemented. I'm starting to think they might be profiting on both ends from it (the disposal fee from residents and money from a recycler/salvage?) but I'm not quite sure. More likely they're just overly worried about liability from someone doing something dumb or unexpected, and someone getting hurt, and/or simply maintaining the appearance of accountability. The camera only sees who and what is going in and out of the container though, not what happens inside there.

My latest strategy to defeat these measures has been to buy a sticker to gain access but bring two pieces of unwanted junk: one is the paid item - my "ticket", so to speak - giving me the legitimacy of access to the shipping container, and another secret "replacement" item. I usually find some way to make these look like a single unit, which is easy, as what constitutes a single item is defined very loosely. As long as everything seems ok with that transaction, I drive over to the spot, back up to the shipping container entrance and open up the lift gate of my little hatchback, which partially blocks the camera's view. Then I drop my legitimate "decoy" item, quickly try to find something good in there (I make sure it's busy when I go, so there usually is) and then do a cheeky, sneaky sticker swap onto my secret item and whisk my quarry into the back of the car. If I don't find something worth taking I just leave the whole bundle of both items as-is.

I assume they check and count stickers sold from the front office vs. actual items stickered at the end of each day or week, but they can't feasibly keep track of what things are or who brought what. Any items you've brought can remain in your vehicle while you're paying your dues at the fee station near the main entrance, and they don't ever ask to check it if you seem halfway competent with their system and setup. I'm a known quantity (as far as they're aware) so the most they ever do is glance at my vehicle and make sure it still has an unexpired sticker (these are issued by the town annually) which allows me to enter the facility in the first place. Then, after payment, you have to drive all the way across the facility to an area in the back, where the disposal container is. While you may encounter another worker there, it's unlikely for them to connect the dots or even see the actual items at all until after you've left. Plus they're perennially understaffed -- usually just 2 or 3 overworked guys are handling everything that happens at a dump for a town of over 40,000. They're usually doing something far more important than trying to bust petty rule breakers, like handling the mountain of human trash generated daily by all the wonderful consumer denizens of our middle-class suburb.

If there was an incident detected - signs of malfeasance or any other cause for concern - I assume it would be a reactive choice that cameras would be more closely scrutinized, your identifying details would be collected, and an investigation would ensue if deemed necessary. Otherwise, they simply don't have the resources to track what's what, and just kinda wing it with a process that seems tight at first glance, but is really still partially on an honor system. I also get the vibe they're happy to be bringing any revenue at all for the town, and don't necessarily care much unless flagrant violations occur or someone gets hurt or a suspicious pattern is noticed. Unless you're really unlucky, simply the appearance of innocently following the established systems of dump bureaucracy and not being a jerk is enough to avoid arousing any suspicion at all.

It's slightly unethical, objectively, according to some, sure, and I might get caught doing this eventually -- but it's hard to emphasize just how little I care about that. I'm willing to play dumb, act sorry, promise to behave in the future, take whatever minor slap on the wrist that follows, then eventually move onto whatever other weird game I end up playing with society next which tickles me in this specific way. It's not like I'm selling any of this stuff; I fix it up and keep it for myself unless and until I find someone else who needs it more. You could call it a rationalization for petty theft concocted by an autistic mind, maybe that's right, but in my estimation I'm not really doing any harm, since they end up with the same net number of items in the end, plus I bought a sticker with actual money, I'm disposing of items which are actually dead and useless, and I'm rescuing something else by extending its useful life. If the new thing I've acquired can't be used or repurposed, and is indeed trash, that's my new "ticket" for next time! Everything described above fits into quite nicely into my personal framework of morality, so fuck it. Plus it's fun!

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

No idea how they dispose of it. I've asked my immediate management chain if I can take damaged/pitted instruments that need to be replaced to donate to the local colleges - Anatomy & Physiology classes all have a lab component to dissect something, and the school I went to had instruments that were absolute garbage.

The answer was no... We just put instruments that need to be replaced in a red bin with other sharps like needles, and the bins are shipped off somewhere, probably to be incinerated.

Bigger stuff like equipment, we send to the biomedical engineering department for outprocessing. From there, no idea. Probably land fill.

I wouldn't dumpster dive at a hospital though. It'll be a sea of ruptured catheter bags, linens saturated with poop, and just all manner of pathogens. And probably sharps - that stuff is supposed to go in sealed red bins, but all it takes is one lazy employee and you've got yourself an HIV+ needle stick.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

Zeiss famously ended support of a popular microscope, then destroyed all parts stored worldwide.

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[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 76 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Got to be Apple slowing down older iPhones to mask battery degradation, and hoping no one would notice.

[–] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Not only that, but also silently removing contacts when you didn't update and connected it up to iTunes. That same day I bought my first android.

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[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love to shit on companies for doing evil shit (like Apple removing Targeted Display Mode from their iMacs), but Apple did the right thing here, but communicated it in the worst way possible.

I had an old iPhone that would randomly shut down when it drew too much power for the old battery to provide. If they hadn't done the fix, I would have had to get a new phone; it just wasn't reliable anymore. With the fix, things were slow, but they worked. Honestly, this is the opposite of planned obsolescence.

[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I’m going to respectfully disagree; had the phone kept shutting down you would have gone to Apple or a 3rd party repairer and got a new battery for 30-80£€$.

By masking the real issue and just giving you a poor experience, you wonder if it was always like that, or if there is something wrong at all, maybe you compare it with a snappy new phone and decide to upgrade for 1000£€$

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Android does this by just bloating the software out and reinstalling games I uninstalled. It's gotten to the point that I'm not sure if its actually dialing out or not when I make a call.

[–] AZX3RIC@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Apple pisses me off. I have a 2012 MacBook Pro that could have continued to be supported, Apple just decided it wasn't in their best interest to continue supporting it and if I want to continue I'll just have to buy a new one!

My MacBook is on MacOS 13 thanks to open core legacy.

[–] DetachablePianist@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mine is on Debian 13; I love my little 13" 2012 MBP!

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[–] firepenny@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

This is one of the worst companies. They are about saving the planet with recycling their products. They don't. Its all ends in landfills. Its all a grift.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 73 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Sealed in batteries on smartphones and Surface tablets.

The device will eventually reach a point where it won't even boot (or shuts down randomly) when plugged in because the charger connection isn't actually wired to power the main board without going through the battery first (most smartphones) or the device consumes more power than the port is designed to deliver (Surface).

[–] Fit_Series_573@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Dealing with this right now. Battery is 4 years old and going weak, decided to no longer recognize any charger below a certain battery percentage (like 72%) unless it's wireless. Thought it bricked itself when it first happened until seeing it's an issue with the batteries used for this model just straight up rejecting to charge for many heavy users. Getting a new phone soon since its so inconvenient while working outside.

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[–] bobo1900@startrek.website 48 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Windows 11 refusing to install on hardware it can absolutely run on.

IP rating on smartphones so there's seals and glue everywhere and opening them up is a fucking nightmare.

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Dumbest thing about those IP ratings is that they donβ€˜t even provide any warranty rights for water damage.

"IP rating only describes the sealing properties at the time of assembly and may deteriorate with time." my ass!

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My desktop won't run Windows 11 according to Windows 11. But if I make a VM with fake TPM on it, it will run perfectly well inside a VM on a machine that won't run it lol

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Clothing!

Lots of clothes only last a couple of years then they break apart, holes appears, etc...

We have a local collective that fixes clothes and its helped keep them alive for 10+ years now. But jeens, shirts, ect that are newer seem to be worse somehow. They don't last nearly as long.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Agree. My jeans have been wearing out at the knees within a couple years and I'm middle-aged so I'm NEVER on my knees for more than a few seconds. Apparently they're averse to bending. 🀨

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

A big problem is that most denim people buy these days is "stretch" which massively reduces durability of the material. It has gotten way too hard to find classic denim in most stores.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

The entire smartphone industry.

I use five year old smartphone (Pixel 4a). I can afford a new one, but I don't need a new one, and it would be worse in ways I care about (bigger, probably without a headphone jack), without being better in any way that really matters to me, so I don't want a new one.

Official software updates ended a couple years ago, but I'm running LineageOS and I got an update this week. Google has intentionally made it hard for most people to use LineageOS or any other Android distribution not blessed by Google as their primary phone by allowing app developers to check whether it's Google-approved. For now, I can usually work around that, but it would be too big a hurdle for most people.

The kernel is getting pretty old though; it's 4.14 when I'm up to 6.17 on my laptop. This is because SOC vendors don't release open source drivers, nor maintain the proprietary ones for very long.

Finally, there's the battery. Mine is in great shape because I use AccA to limit charge to 60% most of the time, but charging to 100% as most people do would have greatly reduced its capacity by this point. Replacing it requires melting glue and some risk of damage. Most phones are like that now (though that's changing due to EU regulation).

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 weeks ago

Washing machines. In the stores, you see a shiny stainless steel drum, but holding up the drum is a raw aluminum spindle. Those spindles corrode with typically caustic laundry detergents to last about 6 years. Replacement was possible, with a day of work. Now, manufacturers seal the drum unit with welded plastic so replacement is impossible.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Windows 11's TPM requirements.

I recently built a brand new computer for my uncle. He was running a 3rd gen Core i7 machine running Windows 7. I get a call that it won't boot. I do manage to get it booted, the SMART data shows the hard drive is on its last eyebrows, and anyway he's running an OS that's three generations out of date.

I'm a big Linux user, I've got my aunt running Linux Mint. My uncle is such a dunce at computers I don't think I can do that, because he lacks the vocabulary to tell me what he wants his computer to do. "I might use it for business." In his line of work that could mean anything from going to quickbooks.com to needing some piece of Windows-only shitware. So "Get a .exe from somewhere" had to remain intact.

For everything he actually does with that computer, that old 3rd gen i7 was fine. Replace the hard disk with a SATA SSD, maybe replace the weird 2-4-2-4 some but not all of it is dual channel 12GB of RAM with two 8 GB sticks of DDR3 and let it roll...except no currently supported version of WIndows runs on this computer.

For a large number of people, computers became objectively fast enough in 2015. That's about when SSDs became standard equipment, fixing any hardware reason for "damn this thing is slow" even out of midrange consumer hardware. Gamers, home labbers and AI startups need more power, the rest of the world doesn't. And that was a problem for Microsoft.

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Laboratory instruments controlled by shitty software that's somehow tied to a particular version of Windows, and won't work with 11. And, of course, the manufacturer won't update it, because they'd much rather you drop a quarter million on the new model.

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[–] pheonixdown@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

CPAP, comes with a cell chip in it to relay data for the Dr to monitor/access. Cell chip stops working after 5 years.

Edit: Realized this could use more clarity. The cell plan for the chip expires after 5 years and cannot be renewed, meaning the entirely functional machine needs to be replaced or the Dr can't properly monitor necessary vitals.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

I got mine from a Canadian reseller, shipped to the us that doesn't have the Sim + I own. If I would have went with the official insurance way, it would have cost 2x ish AND the machine itself can magically last for 10 years since it's a Canadian model....and all the parts are the same.

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[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago

Win11... The amount of perfectly good hardware that became ewaste in October is insane to me

[–] iceonfire1@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

65" Hisense TV. Bought it new and 1.5 years later the motherboard died. Scoured the Internet for the part and it turned out Hisense didn't even sell it, you had to buy secondhand used boards.

But it must have been a common problem b/c over ~6 months even the resellers were permanently sold out. Recycled it in the original packaging.

IMO companies like that should be forced to recycle every scrap of their e-waste themselves.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 9 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Should have still been under warranty?

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[–] ptc075@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Probably doesn't count as I didn't buy it, so I'm technically not dealing with it. But let's talk about electric riding lawnmowers. Last year I was looking to replace my 20+ year old riding lawnmower with an electric one. Could not find a single manufacturer who would also provide the parts lists. Digging deeper, seems like they simply do not sell parts, like at all. The mowers just aren't repairable - straight up, if it breaks, buy a new one. That's irresponsible when talking about an electric drill, but a full riding mower? WTF?

To be fair, this might be a chicken & egg problem. Low adoption rates means there's a very small market for parts, so there's no aftermarket support. And that aftermarket is where I get parts for my current mower. So maybe it's not fair to blame the manufacturer? But I think that's a stretch. From where I'm standing, it sure looks like intentional planned obsolescence.

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[–] Pissed@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

My body. Shits getting worse by the day.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Had a chrome book that worked just fine but unbeknownst to me had an expiration date that started counting down at its date of manufacture, not the date of purchase.

The thing worked great, but no more security updates after 3 years.

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[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Samsung Galaxy S8 Pro. It's one of these curved phones with glass on the back.

The front glass is hardened Gorilla Glass. The back glass breaks when you're looking at it wrong. Because of the curved soapbar style, the phone easily slips out of your hand, shattering the back glass.

I am very delicate with my phones and never broke one in all of my life. The S8 was the final boss for me, though. I had to have the back glass repaired two times, one time it just fell off of my bed which is only 15cm above the floor. Fuck you, Samsung.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Something I’ve personally noticed as someone who will perform a light disassemble before tossing an β€œbroken” item.

The plug in oil heaters that look like radiators. Efficient, low cost. 3 now, total. The knob spins and I can no longer turn it on. Unplug. Unscrew. And a broken Dshaft knob falls out. They don’t make it obvious and easy to get to these knobs, you have to remove the large side panel without bothering the wires to get to a small panel to unscrew to get to the knobs. Then you have to find or make a Dshaft knob to fit, which isn’t easy.

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[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dishwashers, the 3 most recent dishwashers that I have had experience using across 3 very different households and use levels, from 3 different manufacturers, have all had minor to major faults in the 4-5 years since installation, just after the warranty period ended.

Mostly drawer and roller related, but also a pump failure.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Samsung washing machine. I watched a YouTube video about how they deliberately chose a material that wears out after like 4 or 5 years for a critical component. Real cool, thanks Samsung.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Smartwatches. Seriously, they are all working perfect one day, and next day they die. Wanna change the battery? Good luck keeping them out of the water, if you happen to find and replace the battery at all, which isn't cheap anyway.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Don't know if it's planned obsolescence or just laziness but all of my Nintendo Switches have at least a little drift and I've bought at least two replacement sets of joy-cons AND replaced just the joystick on one unit (PITA and replacements didn't work 100% so I stopped repairing).

[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Check out hall effect replacement sticks next time, better than new and supposed to hold up a while

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure if this qualifies as planned obsolescence but Acer stopped supporting a tablet I bought in less than two years. I have been avoiding Acer products ever since.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Having to replace perfectly functional Pixel phones because GOS stopped making updates for them. I don't blame GOS as they're a FOSS project and their end of support coincides with Google's end of support, but it still feels bad replacing perfectly functional hardware. Wish release cycles were much slower so support for existing devices could be focused on, instead of having to spend time porting to every new phone dropped like every year or whatever.

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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

My Chevy Volt 2013, which still runs great, no longer has OnStar because they never planned for a way to upgrade the connectivity when 3G networks were retired. So I am concretely less safe when driving and lose other useful features like remote start, milage tracking, etc.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

To add insult to injury, they are fully capable of adding the 4g module because Canadian Volts were able to be upgraded. GM decided to not let US owners pay for the upgrade, because fuck us that's why.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

Phones. Windows.

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