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[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reform winning obviously bad, labour still awful and incompetent.

It is fascinating from an armchair politics point of view that we might be seeing the end of the torys and labour. These are old parties.

I mean they might certainly bounce back, but given reform and the greens/SNP/Lib Dems will swoop in on their territory maybe not.

I mean having two entrenched parties with that have been around for a century is really an Anglo thing. Like most other countries have parties have parties that rise and fall dramatically.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Labour can bounce back, a leader change and serious shift leftwards can revive them. Tories can not bounce back unless Reform shits the bed, they have exhausted their ability to just change the leader and have people give them a new chance. It's not a leader of the tories that people hate, it's the tories, the party has taken on all the hate now, it can't be scrubbed off.

For all Labour's ills it is ultimately just Starmer and the neoliberals that are hated, not the party itself.

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

I agree definitely. I think there's a moment/opportunity under Zach Polanski for the greens to take their spot. But it's not settled in the way Reform has steamrolled the tories.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't see how any party is going to bounce back in the short term unless they just copy Farage on immigration, which would be horrendous. There's just no going back now in the short term. 80% of the UK thinks there's too much illegal immigration, and even a slim majority of around 45-50% (vs slightly less for opposing views, and then undecided) think there's too much legal immigration. Those numbers would take years to change.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Labour can bounce back if they put the correct person in and start saying left wing things. Andy Burnham is that man.

The problem is that the Starmerite faction has to choose that outcome themselves. Andy can't get an MP seat before the next election unless the NEC (national executive committee) selects him for a seat before then, as he doesn't have an MP seat currently and he can't be leader of the party without one.

Someone like this would pull back the Green, Lib Dems and split Your Party (the trots would go back to do more labour entryism).

I don't think the Starmerite faction will allow it to happen. But it can happen, it's right there and not that hard, it just requires those fools to swallow some pride, a thing I do not believe they will ever do.

Don't get me wrong here, I don't know whether he would actually win vs Reform, all I'm saying is that it would save the party itself by rebounding it to the 30-40% vote numbers again.

Nobody else can do it though. It's Andy or nobody.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

let me guess "ref" is the most racist party

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nigel Farage's crypto-fascist (barely crypto) party.

What is the barley crypto crypto-fascist party's stance on crypto? Is is crypto-crypto or crypto! Crypto!? Or even no crypto but crypto crypto-fascist or just crypto-fascist?

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Funny enough, was re-reading Howard Zinn’s people’s history and yeah. Britain is America: Classic so we shouldn’t be surprised Brits are going to vote like Americans.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

88% of their voters want to put immigrants into concentration camps, if that answers your question

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

yeah I expected the Children of Men Should be Reenacted Party and that's what it sounds like

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

How in the fuck are the Lib Dems managing to not gain even a SINGLE ONE of Labour's 400 projected lost seats, wtf are they doing. Isn't their whole thing to be Labour but more centrist?

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Turns out no one, not even self-proclaimed centrists, actually like a centrist party.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

The Lib Dems haven’t been relevant in many years.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's all over immigration. There was a poll recently that showed that the Brits are even worse than the Americans on this, like the vast, vast majority want stricter immigration, thus reform gets all the votes.

[–] gwysibo@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Is there any good analysis as to how it got this way? Like obviously newspapers etc. but as someone not plugged in how did it get so bad so fast?

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I am genuinely making plans to leave the UK in case Reform win.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in case

I don't see how they could lose at this point.

[–] elpaso@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I left the US over Trump and Miller.

Where are you looking to go?

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck everything.

Also fuck Labour, way to show the futility of “let’s give the normies everything they want so they won’t vote for the party that they want and they end up just taking what they want!”Turns out an off-brand copying the most popular brand everyone loves is not going to stop brand loyalty anytime soon.

Also fuck the voters. Labour gives you ungrateful bastards all the things you want and this is how you repay them? You want MORE?!

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Turns out an off-brand copying the most popular brand everyone loves is not going to stop brand loyalty anytime soon.

Exactly what happened in the US with Democrats and Blue MAGA.

They will not learn their lesson.

[–] OffSeasonPrincess@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

Even Truman (a uniquely evil war criminal even when compared to most other US presidents) already realized that in 1952:

if its a choice between a genuine republican, and a republican in democrat clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So much WINNING from Starmer here.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Absolutely amazed at how he managed to nuke his own party

Democrats gonna be importing the Labor Party consultants for 2028

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Are any of these not TERF parties?

[–] Snort_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its terf island its all terf parties

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Britain is a One Terf Party state, but with typical british extravagance they have more than 4 of them

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 9 points 1 month ago

TERF Ship One

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Theres the ᵗᵉʳᶠ party, the terf party, the TERF party and the TE~~RF~~ party

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

"I want the Greens to do better!"
monkey's paw curls

[–] free_casc@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

SNP on the ups

[–] GrafZahl@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Finally a one party state, yet none of yall are happy still. smdickh

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Children of Men was aspirational, it seems.

[–] Snort_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

We’re so cooked

[–] regul@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Prime Minister Nigel Farage inc

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

407 seats gained for transphobe partys (other)

Poseidon pls