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I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked, I tell you.
this post was submitted on 03 Dec 2025
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I too am shocked at this obvious betrayal of water closet privacy. That nobody and I mean nobody could have seen coming.
It's like you have to be Nostradamus just to avoid getting ripped off nowadays.....
What we're looking for is "zero-knowledge storage". If it's anything else we can just ignore the whole "encryption" marketing. That's because claiming "end-to-end encryption" is still semantically valid if it's transit only and they are the other end.
What if it was AI to AI encrypted, huh?
Doesn't end to end also mean at rest?
But at rest still doesn't matter as they'll own the key unless it's zero knowledge like you said.
End-to-end means a path from point A to point B.
End-to-end encryption could definitely include at rest encryption, but only as part of the path that isn't one of the ends. An example would be where a service like WhatsApp stores your message until it can be delivered to the other contact. End-to-end includes "zero knowledge storage" in this example because WhatsApp can not view your message. You are one end and your contact is the other end. The data is stored encrypted at rest (going trough their servers) because their server is neither end. This is literally why end-to-end encryption exists.
In the case of the smart toilet storage, you are not both ends. Instead you are one end and the storage provider is the other end. The transit is still end-to-end encrypted but it does not imply "zero knowledge storage". They use the term end-to-end encryption because they transfer the data to their servers without people being able to intercept it. And that's semantically correct.
Ah, that makes it clear how it may or may not include at rest.
Thanks!
it does not. end to end encryption and point to point encryption are two ways of delivering an encrypted message to a destination. a point to point encrypted message has a message and header that are decrypted by every node in the network to determine where to route it next. an end to end encrypted message has its header and body encrypted separately such that only the sender and recipient see the body, but the nodes can read the header for routing. encrytion at rest just means that the message, once saved to disk, is encrypted
This is straight from The Onion
Crazy it took this much scrolling for me to see a reference to Smart Pipe
To be fair, that still may be end to end encrypted, just not the ends you were hoping for.
Rear end to backend
Requiem for a video stream
Enshittification
Something that starts as shit is distinctly not enshittified. It's just shit. Don't muddy the term.
shittification.
toilet. camera.
ummm… no thanks
If it was all local it could really improve societies health. I'd kinda rather something like that be 100% local though, no internet access.
Don't forget there's a monthly sub too! You can pay every month to have an AI train on your shit.
It already does, just that it's shit I say
FecAI™
a subsidiary of excrement LLc.
I don’t know what is more stupid, that this exists or that it’s $600 plus $7/month.
Yes.
What could they possibly tell me about my health by visually inspecting my shit? I see the website mentions detecting blood, but pretty sure I can do that too...
The colour can say a lot of different things than just showing blood in your stool.
Also, if you have red blood in your toilet after shitting, it's probably a popped hemorrhoid, but if your shit is black and tarry, that's digested blood, could be from an upper GI-bleed.
If your shit is orange/yellowish and floaty, youre clearly not absorbing fat correctly for some reason.
There's all sorts of things you can tell from shit. I've actually logged hundreds of photos of shit to an e-mail address (because I want to store them but not in my phone's gallery).
I'm waiting on going to a good gastroenterologist hopefully.
But idk if I'd trust an ai analysing them, but proper doctors should be able to.
Edit here https://gutscharity.org.uk/advice-and-information/poo-torial/
The size, shape, consistency, color are all telling of something going on.
Tie that in with tracking changes in diet and can learn a lot.
Tracking what you eat in detail is still a bitch though.
Tracking what you eat in detail is still a bitch though.
For this too, the camera is kinda helpful. Just snap a photo and the write it down later. Or don't write it down and just have the photos there and "I'm sure I'll remember when I look at it"
Would you consider spending $600 plus $7/month for this? (Assuming it was actually secure not like this one)
You asked about what they could possibly tell about your health from your excrement, not what my monthly budget is...
No, I know. I didn't see any possible market for a product like this, but you shared you're already doing what this product does, but manually. So I was wondering how much value you see here.
I imagine a lot more people would benefit from passive monitoring of poop than just I.
I pretty much figured out my issue and now I've just been documenting it because the doctors genuinely believe the opposite of whatever I tell them, so I have to have photographic evidence and even that doesn't usually help. (Finnish healthcare sucks. Is the price bad? No, it's free. Does it achieve anything? Also no. Especially when it comes to mental health.
it can read your future… it’s kinda like tea leaves, but shittier
I read pool leaves. I stand on your roof and tell you your future.
TFW you spend $600 a month on a subscription iot toilet camera just to find out it's been taking pictures from inside your toilet and sending them over the internet!
Why do people want a toilet cam in the first place?
Urine and stool samples can indicate a person’s health and evaluate some conditions, such as over/underhydration or a lack of fiber. If there’s blood in the urine, a picture could allow a doctor to evaluate whether it’s a UTI or a kidney stone.
I’d even say it’s a scenario where machine learning could be used to train a computer to recognize many of those scenarios and offer suggestions to improve one’s health.
Is that worth $600 and a subscription fee when you could learn to recognize those things yourself and take a picture for your doctor if it’s needed? Maybe if you’ve got money to burn.
It you have that much blood in urine or feces, you are in bad shape.
I just post my turds on insta for free assessment by close friends.
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https is end to end
surely, once I read this article, I'll find they implemented ssl
edit:
as I suspected, Kohler is one of the ends of the e2ee. and it is implemented. what is the news here exactly
Https is the transit. End to end encrypted means it's encrypted before, during, and after transit. Ie the data at rest would/should be encrypted
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WTF?
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