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[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 101 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can't fuckin believe his nonsense

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I wish somebody could stand up to him. But war is hell on earth, literally, so I can't really blame countries not getting involved. And given the depressingly small number of military officers resigning/refusing the illegal orders given so far, it's a pretty bleak picture all around...

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)

But war is hell on earth

Inb4 MASH reference

Honestly I'm disappointed in the military members that aren't refusing their illegal orders. Clearly they either see no issues here, or they think the Nuremberg Defense will work this time.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 months ago

The Nuremberg Defense only becomes an issue if there's a Nuremberg trial. And that requires a coalition of countries willing and able to fight and defeat the fascists. Right now the most powerful countries in the world are all leaning into fascism, and the few countries that still oppose it are nowhere near a military match.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

These remaining service members have been filtered and downselected. A person would have had to stick with it through all the controversy at this point to be in the position to consider whether the next order is illegal. I tend to think such a person might have left by now to avoid being asked to commit crimes against their own people, for example.

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're forgetting that many are bound by contracts and have no legal way out, short of committing offenses which can have serious repercussions even after separation.

[–] de_lancre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In russia there a specific law for that, allowing to ignore other military laws and restrains provided by contract and not "committing crime due to superior command". That clause also basically means, that whole russian military, that attacked Ukraine - criminals. Funnily enough, it's not the only one russian law that ignored in that war, but that beyond topic above.

I'm not strong in American law system, but isn't there something similar for situations like that?

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[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can. It's totally on brand. America has only fought a handful of "good wars" in the last century and a half.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I'd argue one, and only because FDR wasn't a shit bag.

War is a racket.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There will be a war to distract from the Epstein files, his horrid economy and all the harm he is doing to America.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What a great period of American history to leave behind ... a war in South America to hide the child sex crimes of their leader

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can't be worse than Iraq. This period of your history is already "great," my friend.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago

The fat president laughed, you are wrong.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago

Give that man the Peace Prize!

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

War time is the best time for a grift, ask Dick Cheney... Oh wait

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Trump wants to put America at war for the mid terms, because historically Americans normally don't want to change who in charge during a war. Bush had that advantage. It also districts the media away from the Epstein files release. And Trump dementia.

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Maduro is calling Trump's bluff I think.

Trump can't actually send troops in, or do anything more than Tomahawk some facilities (if even that). So I'm pretty sure Trump is just getting desperate with this "close the airspace" shit.

It's like pretending to swing at someone hoping they will run away, knowing full well you won't fight them if they don't.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

But America also has a long history of being the bully on the block that no one should mess with ... but the bully keeps provoking everyone and when someone hits back, even if it doesn't hurt the bully, the bully's going to bring his baseball bat and brass knuckles, beat up the person who fought back and argue that they were just defending themselves.

[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Israel didn't come up with the idea on their own.

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

I don't think that is how bullies operate my friend.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

And as everyone knows, when someone throws a sprig of mistletoe at a bully they'll come back with a chess set and eat them in front of you and then give you a turtle.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really? What's stopping him?

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He is still afraid of consequences. Look at the reaction to Hegseth's double tap order. "Didn't happen". That's what someone who is afraid he has crossed the line would say.

If he was unstoppable you'd already see opposition jailed if not murdered. We're not there yet.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Look at the reaction to Hegseth's double tap order.

Absolutely no way double tapping is "the line." America is way past that.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's the US. The usual tactic is false flag, blame Venuzuala, send in troops. Considering how bad and unoriginal he is at deception, that'll be the play.

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

I would bet against troops in Venezuela if I had a way. That's just me, and I'm sure I could be absolutely wrong. But I don't think so.

I think a few bombs or maybe some assassinations but that's it.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Anyone banking on the US military having spine and/or a conscience, y'all better be watching this.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

Everytime you hear about US having any sort of "values", you can chuck it up as propaganda.

They stand for nothing but self-aggrandizing bullshit.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Pulling a Putin.

What are you doing amassing troops at the Ukraine border in a country you’ve manufactured lies about while your country flounders economically under shitty leadership?

Oh, nothing…

What are you doing amassing ships and troops in the Caribbean near a country you’ve manufactured lies about while your country flounders economically under shitty leadership?

Oh, nothing…

E: lookit all the “butwhatabout the US?!” who have poor reading comprehension. I already said the US is potentially behaving shitty just like Russia did do shitty. Very clearly I said that it’s a preexisting pattern, and I did not deflect from how shitty the US’s behavior is by butwhatabouting Russia. I only noted the pattern. Nonetheless, all the butwhatabout’s can’t seem to comprehend that and insist on butwhatabout-ing the US. Learn how to read. You’re not scoring any points.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pulling a Putin.

Regime changes in South America are as American as apple pie. No need to invoke Putin.

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Americanly does something american

What are we, a bunch of russians?

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile the shitgibbon is pardoning a former south american president who was *convicted" of running cocaine into the USA and supporting the cartels.

*Central American

[–] DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Put these traitor fucks in cages already. Trump voters you own all of this shit and none of you will ever be forgiven. Your progeny will spend decades trying to distance themselves from you and your disgrace. You are traitors.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

US escalates tensions more like

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wtf... I did not see the orange cancer starting a war out of nowhere with freakin Venezuela. Can pudding-brain finally be put out of our misery, or is it too much to hope the GOP (guardians of pedophiles) will grow spines?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Don't forget the source of this misery: Vladimir Putin, backed by China.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The "peacekeeper", "no more wars" president who "ended seven wars", everybody.

Sorry sir, this lie is worn out, you're going to need a new one

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Haven't heard much from Russia or China about this. Perhaps they made another Molotov-Ribbentrop: Putin would have what he wants in Europe, and Trump can do whatever he wants in South America.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Even if you were a complete demon, this "art of the deal" seems unimpressive. How did this guy fail up so hard?

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

Chinese President Xi Jinping has reaffirmed Beijing’s steadfast support for Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro

https://feddit.org/post/22080938

What could China do?

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm so disgusted, this is kind of making my stomach turn.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Spoiler alert: Iraq never had WMDs, it was about stealing oil.

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[–] bluemoon@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

first the world takes Russia then the world takes USA

D day and Nuremberg all over again

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago

Not happening on either count. The EU is too chicken shit to "take" Russia and there's no reason for anybody not directly in the US's orbit to interrupt it while it kills itself.

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