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[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 101 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can't fuckin believe his nonsense

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I wish somebody could stand up to him. But war is hell on earth, literally, so I can't really blame countries not getting involved. And given the depressingly small number of military officers resigning/refusing the illegal orders given so far, it's a pretty bleak picture all around...

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)

But war is hell on earth

Inb4 MASH reference

Honestly I'm disappointed in the military members that aren't refusing their illegal orders. Clearly they either see no issues here, or they think the Nuremberg Defense will work this time.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 months ago

The Nuremberg Defense only becomes an issue if there's a Nuremberg trial. And that requires a coalition of countries willing and able to fight and defeat the fascists. Right now the most powerful countries in the world are all leaning into fascism, and the few countries that still oppose it are nowhere near a military match.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

These remaining service members have been filtered and downselected. A person would have had to stick with it through all the controversy at this point to be in the position to consider whether the next order is illegal. I tend to think such a person might have left by now to avoid being asked to commit crimes against their own people, for example.

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're forgetting that many are bound by contracts and have no legal way out, short of committing offenses which can have serious repercussions even after separation.

[–] de_lancre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In russia there a specific law for that, allowing to ignore other military laws and restrains provided by contract and not "committing crime due to superior command". That clause also basically means, that whole russian military, that attacked Ukraine - criminals. Funnily enough, it's not the only one russian law that ignored in that war, but that beyond topic above.

I'm not strong in American law system, but isn't there something similar for situations like that?

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

The American Law of War also specifies that military members have an obligation to disobey illegal orders.

My comment above though was referring to the fact that many military members sign contracts that define a period of service, and typically the easiest way out is by serving the required period of service.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can. It's totally on brand. America has only fought a handful of "good wars" in the last century and a half.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I'd argue one, and only because FDR wasn't a shit bag.

War is a racket.