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Original post: https://bsky.app/profile/rebeccamwrites.bsky.social/post/3m6a62btty226

Here's the dataset and their website if you are interested, there's more games beyond Final Fantasy that they've looked at.

Main findings

  • 35% of words were spoken by female characters.
  • 29% of characters were female, which suggests the imbalance is driven by a lack of female characters.
  • 94% of games had more male dialogue than female dialogue.
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 2 days ago

X-2 being less than 50% is wild when it's the girl pop game

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

Shocking that x-2 doesn't break 50% but also that VI is so low given that the main character is a woman (that said a fairly terse one) and another one sings an entire aria.

[–] EveningCicada@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

FFIV and the male urge to go to the moon to-the-moon

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago

We Moomin over here! moomin

[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This doesn't seem right for X-2. All three party members are female, the villain for the first couple arcs (LeBlanc) is female. Just by glancing at the script there is not a whole lot of male dialogues

https://www.neoseeker.com/finalfantasyx2/faqs/69600-final-fantasy-x-2-script.html

Maybe Brother's word count is double-counted? Brother speaks in Al Bhed and the subtitle would show both the Al Bhed and English translation

[–] Demifriend@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It looks like the scraper python script pulls the game script from here: https://www.ffcompendium.com/h/faqs/ffx2scriptaschthehated.txt

I'm not familiar with X-2 or their method for parsing the game script, but the project doesn't look too hard to set up and you can submit issues on their GitHub so if you want to take a look I would say go for it. If they made a mistake I'm sure they would like to know

[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Looks like all Al Bhed dialogues might be double counted. The script there contains:

Brother: Duu cmuf! (Too slow!)

Brother: Cbrana fyja yhymocec lusbmada! (Sphere wave analysis complete!)

Brother: Haqd cdub: Gagazet! (Next stop: Gagazet!)

Gippal: E ryja ymnayto ehdanjeafat people. (I have already interviewed people.) Uha uv oui kioc dyga ujan. (One of you guys take over.)

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

wild to think that x-2, xiii and xiii-2 all have more male than female dialogue, makes me think that maybe there's an error in the data.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's pretty funny that even in 13, where the MC is female and there are other central cast members who are too, it's only in the third installment where they creep just over the line on this chart.

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Same for X-2. How do you not crack 50% when all the principal characters are women?

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm convinced if VI gets a good proper remake and a marketing blitz to showcase all its positive aspects, including the banger opera scene - they should make a full opera score too. Drag Nobuo Uematsu out of retirement and partner him with Lorien Testard and Alice Duport-Percier exclusively to make a complete opera score. And probably a soundtrack remix because why not at that point. - and i believe it'll be a hit to draw in the masses.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now THIS is airship racing

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ff6 remake made by the frogs to include several mini games that are nods to other great and infamous games. One of them will be Star Wars Episode I: Racer

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And you're not allowed to progress past ~~Locke's~~ Setzer's flashback sequence until you can beat ~~Rachel~~ Darill in ~~a podrace~~ an airship race, and she's basically movie-Sebulba

The whole flashback includes about 12 hours of Gran Turismo-esque tuning for your airship as you go around ~~looting and pillaging dead people's belongings~~ treasure-hunting to fund your airship modification journey, including "stage 3 weight reduction" which is literally just throwing out the casino staff and the roulette tables

Edit: I just 100% fucking conflated Locke and Setzer, didn't I

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And that's purely "optional" side content you gotta do to reach the true ending. Mayne throw in some ass creed X being a deadbeat dad dogfather for shadow, Splatoon or Passpartout for relm, magicka or mage arena for Stragos, WWE for Sabin, satisfactory, that "Like a Dragon" mini game involving talking to women but failing every time but as an FMV CYOA with someone famous like Chris Carmack playing Edgar getting clowned on nonstop.

What else should be done for the other characters?

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Squeenix right now seems to want to chase success over acclaim. Real heads k ow Final Fantasy 6 was Square's announcement to the world that a golden age had begun. People like to point to 7 because of the sales numbers, but that's just when the public caught on to what was happening. You could make a case for 4 too, since it was a big step up in storytelling for the genre. But 6 is when Square seemed to realize the full potential of the medium and the genre to build a more complex story and genre.

It would sell, but it doesn't market itself as readily as 7 does. Theres not the same nostalgia factor in play for as many people, and square would have to work harder at the hype.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree 4 walked so 6 can run, firstly.

And secondly I agree, that the nostalgia-bait runs strong for the privileged Playstation petite bourgeois, enough so any money vampire would have to have their nose cut off to not smell the metric shittons of cash they'd make off of that nostalgia. But I make the case that they can make possibly even more money by cashing in on both the more limited nostalgia ff6 has and combine it with the internationally recognized prestigious acclaim the frogs made with their final fantastical expedition 33.

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[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

FF IV remake starring Joachin Phoenix as Kefka.

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[–] UmmmCheckPlease@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Took your recommendation the other day to start ff6 and am really enjoying it so far! It gets surprisingly in-depth story wise

[–] UmmmCheckPlease@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also I tend to “mad lib” character names without any context/knowledge of the game - which makes it very hard to track what people are talking about - but has made for an interesting storyline lol

[–] UmmmCheckPlease@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

See also: “it’s me King Figaro of Figaro!”

[–] UmmmCheckPlease@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

And his twin brother, Figaru; as well as DAAVE! the ninja, Fleebu the feral child, and surely others I’ve forgotten… I have a highly cultured sense of humor

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

Hell just collab with sandfall to remake it.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

Tactics missing and I bet it does better

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I agree the core issue is less female characters of course, but I also know that JRPGs tend to be plagued by long-winded male monologues, especially from villains.

EDIT: Was just thinking, I’d be curious to know how Chrono Trigger holds up regarding this. I remember the game having pretty great writing for the female characters and even had an openly ~~non-binary~~ gender non-conforming character which was neat for a 90’s SNES game.

[–] Demifriend@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Chrono Trigger is in their dataset, I was curious as well and went to check:

  • 13.7% (31 / 226) of characters are women
  • 35.7% (13,571 / 37,982) of words spoken by women
  • 37% (5,021 / 13,564) of sentences spoken by women
  • 38.1% (1,638 / 4,187) of lines spoken by women

I thought it was interesting as well that 51 of the 226 characters were classified as neutral. Probably because of all the monsters and Nu? But I'm not sure.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Probably a combination of robots and monsters, in addition to Flea

Thanks for pulling this data btw! I guess 38% isn't bad relative to other JRPGs but I would've thought it might be a bit higher given how many prominent female characters there are in that.

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[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who was gender non-conforming? Lucca, or Robo?

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

X-2 suprised me there

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"I wish FF4 had more feeeeeemale (quark) dialogue"

[A FINGER ON THE MONKEY'S PAW CURLS]

The Magus Sisters now have an unskippable 45-minute FMV cutscene


Seriously, though; what the hell is with Rosa's abject lack of characterization? I guess you could blame the lack of space on the ROM, especially if some stuff was cut from the English translations, but even then I really doubt Ted Woolsey had all that much to work with. I'm not mad, just disappointed. Be better, 1990s Japan.

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

For a split second I was truly shocked that any of the games managed to top X-2 then I realized it was Lightning Returns. Makes sense haha

My final fantasy is that my stupid wife who I hate quiets down so me and the boys can talk about where we're going to allocate our stat points grillman

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hm, I've only played 7 but if you keep Tifa / Aeris / Yuffie in your party the whole time surely that number goes up?

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think this counts all the words in the game files, not based on playthroughs.

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[–] Demifriend@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As chgxvjh says, I'm pretty sure it's analyzing entire scripts. I did notice in the linked research article on their GitHub that they took a look at that as well though.

How the proportion of female dialogue varies according to player choices in dialogue trees. For each game, the figure shows: the proportion of female dialogue written by the game authors (red dot); the range of proportions from a player making random decisions (red whiskers); and the range from the proportion of female dialogue experienced if an omniscient player tried to maximize male dialogue to if they are trying to maximize female dialogue (black whiskers).

[–] mononoke@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 days ago

FFXIV does not have proper statistics, but it does have a very large page of analysis, and I have a definitely unbiased opinion that it would score well. There are more "neutral" characters than one would expect, and a lot of them in an almost gender-fucky sort of way? Which is very cool. XIV stays winning.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

looks like XIII went woke. thankfully XV was redpilled to make up for it and provided an almost female-free experience

[–] VAVHV@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm glad that XV scrapped a potentially compelling female character rivaling Noctis after the director got replaced, wouldn't want the game to be too interesting.

[–] clove@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I always wondered why I found FF games so unsatisfying. This might be a large part of it. Which makes me wonder if a single one passes the Bechdel Test...

[–] booty@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which makes me wonder if a single one passes the Bechdel Test...

The answer is yes.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

X2 definitely does they talk about concerts, dress spheres and bad math card games

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