Every election is the most important in your lifetime as long as fascists are on the ballot.
this post was submitted on 21 Nov 2025
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If it's that important maybe the democrats should start appealing their target group instead of trying to get Republicans to vote for them (which didn't really work anyways)
It's possible that there is a way to win them over, but it's not by getting up on stage with Liz Cheney. The idea of "the elites are working against us" does resonate with certain Republican voters, even if their anger is being misdirected in support of Donald Trump. It's not something the Hillary Clinton wing of the party could possibly harness. People like Bernie or AOC could, though.
Here's Bernie demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/RP8Oxe6OxJc
I've seen that video before. It's a good one that, to me from far away, shows how the more progressive side of the democratic party should very much resonate with poorer, currently republican voters if they just leaned into that messaging more.
The message at it's core is so simple: The country is rich, you're poor, fuck that shit.
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Agreed. I vote for them out of practicality, not because I actually like them.
Remember when the Democrats propped up Trump thinking Clinton would curbstomp him because who the hell would vote for him? Good times. (Europe is doing the same, pushing the far right to pretend the vanilla right is the only viable opposition and actually pretty center, and then act surprised when everything implodes)
I do! Real It Can't Happen Here moment. Kinda worse in Europe because It's Already Happened There.
It already happened there 90 years ago. AND they get to see our results within this decade. They think afd is different from Trump somehow? Not significantly.
If your system has allowed itself to devolve into "vote for my slightly less oppressive status quo or else you get abject oppression" then you kinda have to begin admitting the entire system is folly and needs to be dismantled.
You're not wrong. Easier said than done, though. Looks like we'll be doing it the hard way, societal collapse.
Good, this society deserves to collapse. It is fundamentally oppressive and exploitative.
Also don't disagree. It's just tragic how much suffering has to happen.
Any solution that has to start with purges is an inherently bad solution. Collapse isn't much better, the people that have already borne the worst of things will be the hardest hit. But it might also be wishful thinking: If the last ten months hasn't caused it, what will?
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It’s a trick to keep preserving an awful status quo in perpetuity for your whole life.
Surely the fascists will pack up and go home if the Democrats can just win this one time…
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These past few elections have been fucking important. As someone who lived through the whole "boring" era of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama, these last 10 years have been aberrant in every way politically and it's dumb to pretend they haven't been.
It's also dumb to pretend the "boring" era wasn't politically aberrant as well. They were setting the stage for what we are seeing now, and it's telling that people are only getting upset now that fascism is getting focused inwards and domestically instead of outwardly towards other countries.
It's naive to believe that this is anything aberrant to begin with.
They have been setting up this stage since the fucking New Deal made concessions to the working class to stymie a growing threat of working class revolt. Not even a few years later they enacted Taft-Hartley and began dismantling union power.
There was a slight resurgence of working class action during the Civil Rights movement but unfortunately that was all co-opted by the establishment in order to keep the working class divided.
The Gilded Age rober barons were pissed they lost their fiefdoms and then began to systematically claw it back from the people ever since.
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bush literally stole an election with the supreme court. boring. ho hum
I mean, you didn't have multiple militia groups and a bunch of rioters break into the Supreme Court trying to stop them from making that ruling, and then all get arrested and sent to jail, and then all get pardoned by the very guy they wanted to illegally stay in office, so yeah, bush v gore was relatively boring.
no you just had shit like people with (justified) geopolitical grievances against the US flying planes into towers. very dull.
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I fully agree, it's too bad that the point was lost on so many people who just heard "YOU HAVE TO VOTE" and didn't make any effort to absorb reality and multiple angles of actual news stories and not just Facebook memes and shorts played on Twitter.
The last several elections have had the highest turnouts in US history, including the largest youth turnout, but on exit polling the people were completely tuned-out and said they didn't actually think there was meaningful differences between candidates and just based their decisions on prices of groceries and who was in charge when the prices got high... by their own reckoning. A lot of "Well maybe Trump will shake things up" and seemed to have ZERO memory of his first term or that he was even president before.
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To be fair, everyone has to keep saying "This is the most important election of X" because everyone fucking has the attention spans and memories of earthworms or bivalves.
Half of Lemmy right here would tune and use any excuse to not be involved, and this is a politically active community, imagine what it's like out there for the vast majority of voters who work 6 days a week and get all their media and news from fucking facebook for two hours on a Sunday night while kids and dogs are fighting around them.
To be fair, the current election is always the most important one of the time. Does no good to ruminate about the past, and nobody knows what the future holds.
Being against the rabid Zionism of the Dem mainstream is based. The second point, not so much.
warn people that losing an election to fascists will lead to fascism
people ignore the warning
election is lost to fascists
fascist administration immediately starts doing fascist things
blame the LIBS for making a big deal out of it
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I think their point is that they pull the same tactic every year and it's clear it's shit
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my gripe with them about that, is that they refuse to do any systemic change to avoid fascism, because they have three same corporate donors that republicans have. their job isn't too protect the people, is to preserve the status quo that leads to erosion of rights.
They had plenty of time to codify abortion rights, instead they sat on it to use as a carrot for the next election.
that's why every election is the most important, because they refuse to fix the system
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Bold of you to assume Democrats don't know what they are doing.
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omg I am so sorry
Thank you, but there's no need to be sorry. It's something that's been accepted and fuels my desire for deeper knowledge.
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