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So, considering this is Lemmy I'll clarify. I'm not talking about your neighbor who voted for Trump or your uncle who's always been a dick. I'm talking about coming in contact with a deep down evil scary human. I've only met one that I can think of. When I was 12 or 13 I spent a ton of time at my best friends house. He lived on a big beautiful rural property with his dad, a few brothers and always one or two random dudes. His dad was a good electrician and a biker. So, he always had friends/associates hanging around. So one day I was staying over for a long weekend and we met a new guy his dad was housing for a week or two. Dude was a real full fledged nazi. Had a swastika under his eye and tats all over most of his body. He was from California I guess. He was "working" with my buddies dad for awhile. Anyway, the main interaction I had with him was when he pulled my friend and I in for a sermon. We were going to go hunt squirrels and do rural kid shit. He stopped us outside and had us sit on the porch. Spent about 20 minutes explaining all the things youd imagine a nazi explains. Moslty about catholics, jews and blacks. My friends dad came out after awhile and told him we didn't need to hear that shit. He sent us away, but, I never forgot the look this dude had in his eyes. It was like the look of complete bordem mixed with extreme anger all the time.

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[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I have a couple of examples, but here's one that's close to my heart (and that, sadly, hurts my heart).

I know someone who overheard the following conversation in a workshop on global policy. In one of the tables, there was a prominent doctor and one of the richest people on Earth.

The workshop went on as normal, until at some point the discussion turned to poverty and malnutrition. The rich person asked "What do you mean, malnutrition?" and the doctor politely explained the basics of acute hunger and chronic malnutrition. At the end of the explanation, the rich person asked "How can you believe any of that?" and explained that malnutrition was made up by "envious leftists" to steal from the rich.

The doctor tried to explain that malnutrition was real, and even pulled up their phone to search for a picture of a malnourished child. When the rich person saw the picture, they said "Well, I don't know about this, but if you're hungry, wouldn't you just go to a store and buy food? If someone can't figure that out, they're just not cut out to survive".

At that point, the conversation was cut short because the workshop organizers required them to move on.

You might be wondering who this rich person was. Here's what I'll tell you: their family extracted a lot of wealth in colonial times and, since then, they have used their power and wealth to remain powerful and wealthy.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I work in residential mental health and my boss is a progressive queer wiccan. I thought we'd get on great.

But then she started using an HR mistake i told her about to falsely bill medicare, and lied about not knowing in official emails. She tried to force me to pay for a company parking ticket and acted shocked when i wouldn't.

When a staff was punched in the head by a resident in the evening she took hours to arrive on site, told the staff they had to finish their shift before going to the hospital, then let them drive themself after a possible concussion, and tried to get staff to reclassify it as a non critical incident.

Not truly evil, but sociopathetically dishonest in her dealings, and about who she is.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

i've encounter a lot of that too amongst the vocally progressive types. massive hypocrisy.

i avoid anyone who bangs on about how progressive or queer they are now. it's just not worth the risk.

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[–] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

That field is filled with some of the most compassionate and truly saintly people. However, plenty of monsters hiding behind the "nice" facade too.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

My parent told me of a family they knew who lived on a farm in their village. All of them were outright monsters. There were only brothers in that family. No daughters. They had barn cats and when they had kittens, they'd crush their skulls in their hands for fun. They loved torturing animals. They were pysically big and they imposed themselves on everyone and everyone was scared shitless of these dudes. One ended up in jail for killing someone early on for some banal reason, and another became a Hell's Angel motorcycle gang hitman essentially.

In a different kind of pure evil, I've always been affraid of Dennis in It's Always Sunny in Philadephia. He really scares me. No joke. The character is a real psychopath. I've met a few people like this in real life. They were the rich successful types. They gave me the fucking creeps. Manipulative, controlling, always working to get what the want and always have the advantage to have power over others.

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wild. That reminds me of this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

It's an amazing story (emphasis mine):

Kenneth Rex McElroy (June 16, 1934 – July 10, 1981) was an American criminal and convicted attempted murderer who resided in Skidmore, Missouri. He was known as "the town bully",[3] and his unsolved killing became the focus of international attention. Over the course of his life, McElroy was accused of dozens of felonies, including assault, child molestation, statutory rape, arson, animal cruelty, hog and cattle rustling, and burglary.[4]

In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last.[4][5] In 1981, McElroy was convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of the town's 70-year-old grocer Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp.[3] McElroy was released on bond pending an appeal, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister.

On June 30, 1981, he appeared in a local bar, the D&G Tavern, armed with an M1 Garand rifle and bayonet, and later threatened to kill Bowenkamp.[3][6] The next week, McElroy was shot and killed in broad daylight as he sat with his wife Trena in his pickup truck on Skidmore's main street.[4] He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46.[3] Despite the many witnesses, nobody came forward to say who shot him. As of 2025, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death.[3]

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Haha wow. No one came forward to talk. He was that much of an asshole.

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago

Exactly! 30 to 46 people apparently decided unanimously that he deserved it.

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

A couple of them.

One, I met when we were both five years old, and I knew then he would end up in prison. He helped beat someone to death when he was 19 and went to prison.

Another I met when I was a child and he was an adult. I knew he wasn't quite right, but I had no idea how bad it was. As a teenager, I had an encounter with him that almost turned violent. He later raped both his daughters and went to prison.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Never met what I'd describe as a truly evil person, but definitely a lot of narcissistic people whose selfishness and lack of self awareness have caused numerous instances of wondering if they were in fact just evil people.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not the person to have enemies but we live for a long time so we meet awful people eventually even if you avoid it.
So only a few people took advantage of me or have screwed me badly over the years.

I have never needed to take revenge since I seem to have some kind of guardian devil that does the work for me in an extreme way.

1 mean duo of girls: mental institution and death by brain tumor.

Ex GF: bad car crash

Ex friend that took my GF: some random guy punched out all his teeth, later became homeless.

So I guess, don't fuck with me evil people.

[–] nert@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can I borrow your demon for a bit?

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I ran into a curious individual.

He was bullying me because I was in his way (I did not move, the goal did). As soon as I was not in his way he would try to recruit me into bullying the next person who was.

I'd say he was a manipulative psycopath but he was so inept at what he was trying to do and calling him a psycopath would be an insult to psycopaths. He kept falling into the holes he dug for others.

It's the only person I've felt joy when they suffered.

Side note: what do you call a person who is manipulative, no remorse, see people as something to step on to get where they want but are incredibly bad and keep getting caught, fired, dumped because of it? Psycopaths seems to be good at what they do, he was in his 30s and bad at it.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Your perception of what a psychopath is colored by media portrayals and what notable psychopaths have done. Not all physicists are like Richard Feynman, and they're all at least reasonably smart.

What you're describing is a psychopath who is stupid. They do stupid things because they are stupid, and they do psychopath things because they're a psychopath. They aren't going to lead the police on a chase across the country after a string of murders. If they kill someone, they'll probably be caught the very first time. The reason they will kill will be somewhat less nuanced than an intelligent psychopath's reasons, but that's the smart vs. stupid difference - they're both psychopaths. Neither will feel remorse, neither will feel any compelling need to achieve their goals by not harming someone else, and both would do it again if they felt the circumstances warranted it. One will just do it in a way where he might not get caught and the other won't think that far ahead or will do such a poor job of it that thinking ahead won't help.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago

From what I've heard "psychopath" is in fact a disorder that makes a person worse at managing their own life, in addition to making things worse for the people around them.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm with Hannah Ardent on this, true evil is banal and its ubiqutious.

I'll buy some bullshit coffee and not donate that to MSF, I'd classify that as evil writ large, I have seen evil and its in the mirror each morning.. Spend money.on Spotify or save a life ?

An example, its estimated 600,000 children have died since US Aid was cut and an estimated 22 million deaths by 2030, how many before it's a holocaust? Think about the weight the deaths of 600,000 children (so far) should carry, vs the weight of what it actually carries. Then you need to start to question what evil actually is.

Aside from proeslitization, is the averge person that different to your swastika tattoo'd interaction ?

For example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shake_Hands_with_the_Devil_%28book%29?wprov=sfla1

Im an atheist, the quote on the inside the cover of Romeo's book ... Paraphrasibg "I know god exisits, because i have looked into the eyes of the devil, sat across from him and shaken his hand"

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[–] s3rvant@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

One of the boys we fostered over the years: he was ~10 at the time and pretty sure was bipolar or schizophrenic or something as his eyes / face would change suddenly and attitude would become extremely defiant, destructive and sometimes physically violent. Thankfully he never hurt his baby sister we also had. We managed to capture one of these episodes over phone with our social worker and was able to move him to a therapeutic home where he was the only child and able to get the help he needed. Kiddo was a chill, happy boy normally but "evil" is pretty accurate to how we felt during those episodes.

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[–] not_me@piefed.social 11 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Stupid people are the most dangerous species of all, because they do not think at all about the consequences of their own actions. There are plenty of examples available if you look around you.

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[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not talking about your neighbor who voted for Trump
explaining all the things youd imagine a nazi explains. Mostly about catholics, jews and blacks.
It was like the look of complete bordem mixed with extreme anger all the time.

Why cant I group them if they have the same look and hold the same values?

[–] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

You think any person who voted for Trump and a convicted felon with swastika face tats preaching racial violence to kids are the same thing? I understand where I'm posting which is why I added the initial disclaimer. I truly dont believe everyone who voted for Trump is a rage filled violent nazi with a hate crime filled rap sheet.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (10 children)

I''ve never seen folks in Lemmy be this bad at nuance. I'd eat dinner with a trump supporter and even talk about politics because we would both gain perspective. I'd never do that to a truly evil person, or a Nazi as you described, that sounds way too dangerous.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I've met people who managed to announce they were shitty in the first few minutes of our encounter. I've also gotten to know certian really shitty people pretty well.

There's always a story they tell themselves that makes it okay, though, and it's always driven by some kind of weakness they have, even if it's rank narcissism. Evil implies a level of self-awareness that's never been there.

I can't say they don't exist, but they're damn rare and I've never crossed paths with them. Even Nazis have been known to self-improve over time.

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