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You think any person who voted for Trump and a convicted felon with swastika face tats preaching racial violence to kids are the same thing? I understand where I'm posting which is why I added the initial disclaimer. I truly dont believe everyone who voted for Trump is a rage filled violent nazi with a hate crime filled rap sheet.
I''ve never seen folks in Lemmy be this bad at nuance. I'd eat dinner with a trump supporter and even talk about politics because we would both gain perspective. I'd never do that to a truly evil person, or a Nazi as you described, that sounds way too dangerous.
daryl davis did that with the leader of the kkk and eventually the dude gave up racism. takes a lot of guts to do that though
All glory to that dude.
Shows how a lot of these people just need to experience some normalcy and they might look at things differently. I can only assume there's some very desperate people among them.
Not to take away from Daryl davis, absolute madlad in the best way.
Yeah, I knew where I was posting but foolishly assumed people would be reasonable.
Yeah I'm sorry that this is the side of Lemmy you got for this post.
I've not seen another side to lemmy lol
How about all the other comments you got here?
I don't know what you mean.
The vast majority of comments seems to understand the OP just fine?
But, some don't and how many didn't comment thanks to my initial disclamer.
Mate, you've got 130 or so comments, that's quite a lot for Lemmy. Yeah, some people will misunderstand you, some deliberately, and some are just plain trolls. Welcome to the internet
I was asking why you disagreed with grouping them if the ideals they have that you listed are the same. The base that currently supports him is 1 in 5 so yeah statistically that's my neighbor, welcome to the south, these are my neighbors.
So, doubling down that a violent literal nazi and any trump voter have the same ideals huh? I mean, you're not saying anything uncommon on the internet but I promise the real world doesn't work that way. If one fifth of the country was a violent extremist like that guy, we would have a completely different country than we do. Public executions would happen by hundreds of thousands if not millions, identifying as LGBTQ would result in execution, illegal immigrants wouldn't be brought to detention facilities they would be killed in the streets immediately, interracial relationships would be banned, non propaganda media would be banned, any non Protestant religion would be banned, following any non Protestant religion would result in execution, segregation would be reinstated for non whites that haven't been executed, slavery would be reinstated (not just the kind that we have in the prison system now). I recognize Trump is terrible and our current administration is horrible. That doesn't mean that all his supporters have the same ideals as a violent nazi.
You're introducing so much more information than the original post to differentiate, so yes by this point you've offered a totally different description and they are drastically different for this Nazi. Remember, however, that there were also Nazis never had blood directly on their hands but only did the internal paperwork to keep the Nazi government functioning.
I didn't go into detail about what he said or the other times I spent time with him/associates. I didn't because I assumed people had an idea of what real neo nazis want/preach. Those are SOME of the ideals actual neo nazis have. So, I know its a totally fine thing to say on the internet, but, in reality, Trump supporters and real neo nazis are completely different. If they had the power to legislate, all of the things I previously stated would happen among plenty of other terrible shit. You're back peddling as if I wasn't clear about the guy being a real nazi. Thats the disconnect, people are conflating being a nazi with just being a racist. Its an easy label to slap on to paint a side as objectively evil. I remember people calling every president in my lifetime Hitler for one reason or another. I have never voted for trump or a republican candidate. It's good the American people are so wary of facism but do some research on what actual nazis and white supremacist groups want then compare that to former and current actions of this administration.