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[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 6 points 14 hours ago

If they're in survival mode then what the fuck are the other 80% of us in??

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I wish I was making even $50k. I don't really think leaders in this country care about the majority of Americans. They see what we make, they KNOW the majority of us are struggling, but they refuse to help anyone but themselves.

[–] UltraBlack@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Oh no, they discovered right wing politics

[–] man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Six figures is a huge range. Could be $100k/yr or $900k lol. I doubt the latter are in survival mode unless they just can't stop leasing jet skis or something.

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, I read this title, I thought this means $100,000 households are no longer above the liviable wage line. Less catchy headline, but more believable.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Overall it would be reasonable article, were it not completely fucked up by a ragebait headline. They're obviously not in 'survival mode', unless you count 'survival mode' as not being able to refresh your cars to the newest model every three years.

But, there is another way of reading the article, which is that someone on $100k is much closer to someone on $30k than they are to a billionaire. They're still in the class of people who feed their families by working salaried jobs to generate wealth for others; hating on them is the difference between righteous class warfare versus simple-minded jealousy.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

someone on $100k is much closer to someone on $30k than they are to a billionaire

Technically true, but somebody making $100k and somebody making $30k still live in completely different worlds.

From a $30k POV, a person making $100k a year and whining about it is not an ally and should STFU.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 10 points 19 hours ago

And that's exactly why so many people don't vote for tax the rich. Because some people make statements like this and 100k guy think he will be taxed even higher and then he'd go and vote for the guy who doesn't wanna tax the Rich. It's really imperative that everyone under a million or so bands together and any one above a million or so should donate the wealth away to be safe.

Yes, 100k is much much better living then 30k, but 100k guy is not exploiting the masses, 100k guy is also being exploited. In the class war 100k is in the same bucket as 30k.

[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Thats honestly crazy If youre making 100k and can still barely make ends meet that should be a sign for someone making 30k that shits broken. The difference is billionaires hoarding money. They should be the ones everyone is teaming up against. Someone making 100k in a high COL area is in a lot of ways really similar to someone making 30k in a low COL area.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (5 children)

A "six figure income" is such a stupidly relative term. What a useless fucking metric.

First of all, that could literally mean anything from $100,000 to $999,999 a year. Someone making nearly a million dollars a year is not "in survival mode", even in the highest cost of living areas.

Second, it depends on where you live. If you live in the middle of BFE Arizona or Minnesota, having a ~$100k salary could mean you're living like a king. Living in San Francisco or New York, you're probably living in a shoebox apartment.

I'm barely one of these "six figure" people. I make $103k per year. However, I also am the sole income for my family of 5, which means I pay for everybody's health and dental insurance premiums. These are over $1200 a month. I also live in a moderately high cost of housing city where the cheapest, bombed out, sub-900 sq ft house is going for 1/5th to a quarter of a million $ plus. My neighbor has a 973 sq ft home with non-working plumbing, a roof that has shingles coming off and leaks, single pane windows, and foundation issues. His house has an estimated value of $237k if it sold today.

After taxes, nearly half of my salary alone goes to just housing and healthcare and I do not live in a fucking McMansion. My house is around 1000 sq ft. And I still need to keep the lights on, pay for gas, pay the water bill, pay for groceries........Oh and don't forget about student loan debt to get that income. Have fun paying that at $600-700 a month. If I was renting instead of having a mortgage, I could not afford to live here.

Now I'm not "in survival mode", as this article would have you believe, but I'm also not exactly "thriving". If I lost my job, my family would be unable to live beyond.....something like 2-3 months. And with the job market cratering in the tech world (which is my career market) right now, it scares the shit out of me. Literally keeps me up at night with anxiety.

What I'm trying to say is that not even us "middle class" folks are doing super great. We're currently teetering on the edge of a knife and, with continually rising costs, will likely fall into "upper-lower class" territory in the next decade.

[–] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

scares the shit out of me

this is by design. by funneling all your moneys further and further up the food chain, they both ensure you'll never take their place and keep you obedient and compliant. lest "something" happens, and you end up in an even worse situation

you and i don't exist to "thrive." we're here to generate more wealth for our owners, and to be hoodwinked into thinking this is the way it's supposed to be

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago

Unless a sentence like this uses the word “all” you should default to “some” as the implied qualifier. As in, not “all six future earners are in survival mode, but “some six figure earners are in survival mode.” Even that would have been shocking years ago, but nowadays, a family with a single earner bringing in 100,000 can very much be struggling to make ends meet in a high COL city.

[–] knova@infosec.pub 6 points 23 hours ago

You’ve nailed my family’s experience as well. I’m a sole earner, high COL area, student debt, groceries and other bills going up.

[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Verrrry close to my experience as well. I'm holding out hope that in maybe 5 years, when the last of my student debt is gone, we can start really climbing out of our hole, but electricity prices are skyrocketing (Ibpay about $500/mo now), and with the shutdown, our work ontract has not yet been renewed. We'll be homeless in just a couple months if my income falls apart

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Shit that sounds stressful. I hope your contact renews and things go according to plan, homie.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm in Minnesota, twin cities, sounds like property is comparable. To pay less than $300k you're probably getting something you couldn't realistically fit a family of 5 or likely something that needs $100k of work to bring up to code anyway. You could get a dump for $150k and fix it up yourself, but most people are not going to do that. Not the most expensive city, but far from the cheapest.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Yeah the only reason I'm able to afford my house is because I got it 5 years ago for $200k. If I had to buy it today, I'd be fucked.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Sorry if I don't commiserate

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

Try living on 600$ a month!

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

My sister, who earns several times the average income of the city she lives in:

  • constantly complains about taxes. She says she wants to pay, believe it or not, zero taxes, because "what is she getting in return for that money anyway? Nothing"
  • complains about how she "has to" work "four jobs" (she means 4 clients) then she casually drops something like "I saved up enough to buy two apartments. I want to buy and rent and quit my job". She sees herself as someone who HAS TO work multiple jobs for rent and food
  • she constantly complains about how poor people "pay less taxes" than her and absolutely hates anyone who works a low-income job as if they're "dirty" or something. I assume if "no taxes" is her wet dream, then "everyone pays the exact same amount regardless of their income" is something she'd be ok with
  • this is happening in the EU, with free healthcare and all that, so she's getting plenty out of the taxes she pays (or would, if she didn't insist on using overpriced private clinics instead and hell knows what other "rich people" alternatives)

She's not poor. She's practically a one percenter. She's just upset it's a lot of effort saving up to buy property to turn her favorite hobby of "fucking the poor" into a job by becoming a "professional landlord". I don't need Trump. I have Trump at home.

Most rich people I've met are disconnected assholes... I'm sure some are cool, and where I'm at they tend to vote liberal (but not progressive), but goddamn I have not a thing to share or discuss with them. Bless'em and may I never wait on them or paint their house or be their nurse or anything like that, cause I'm not putting up with their attitude.

Sorry if I sound like a dick. Just blowing off steam.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What have I ever gotten from paying my taxes?

Except the roads of course, that goes without saying

And okay, okay, police keeps order and makes it we have a lawful nation

And sure, sure, firemen will always be there to protect my house from burning down but that's nothing!

And I had free education, but come on, isn't that what you'd expect at the very least?

Nothing!

And okay, they did get me free healthcare too, fine, but that's nothing

Investments to promote local businesses? Fine..

So aside from the roads, police, firemen, education, healthcare, investments, what have taxes ever done for me?

Nothing!

People like that feel like a Monty Python sketch

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

She says she wants to pay, believe it or not, zero taxes, because "what is she getting in return for that money anyway? Nothing"

I like to tell libertarians that express such to move to a developing country for two years.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Your sister is a piece of shit.

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[–] Redditsux@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This was some years ago - even before the first Trump presidency - I read a perfectly reasonable sounding piece from someone about how he's struggling as a dual-income family making $400,000 a year. There's the mortgage for the house and the summer home and the vacation condo and the kids' tuitions at prestigious schools and family vacations and the 401ks and the kids' college tuition funds and how there was NOTHING LEFT after the bare necessities!

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[–] beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 day ago

We already cracked. We're all in the biggest ever bubble pop, we just don't know it yet.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 97 points 2 days ago (47 children)

Americans with six figure incomes are not the enemy. We need them on our side in the fight against the Americans with eight, nine, and higher figure incomes

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Upper middle class, used to be poor. I've been fighting for things my whole life that would disadvantage our current comfort if they were put in place. I also just helped organize a union at work, because most of my coworkers make half what I make (I'm not in management, but with a tech salary). In contract negotiations. We are not all shitty, though many of my neighbors in a nice neighborhood are greedy trumpists, whining about the scary poors, so I could certainly understand some animosity towards people who enjoy comfort in this shitty economy. But I think many people that grow up poor and get money remember what it means to be poor.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live on benefits, about $1,200 a month, and have the good fortune to only be obligated to pay for internet, fuel, some services like VPN+Email+Anti-virus, and food. For most of the past decade I was able to squirrel away about $200 to $300 a month into an ABLE account, but the last few years that has become increasingly difficult. In fact, I don't think that I saved any money at all for this year.

My game 'plan' was to just let my ABLE collect interest and use that for my annual computer after a new AMD socket has been released, buying the best endgame gear for the prior standard. I spend most of my time on my PC, so I figure a expensive computer would be my 'big ticket' item every decade. Never once I have had a vacation to see new things or do stuff beyond the house, because it felt incredibly wasteful for my situation. I would have to cut more of my food budget if I want to save up for the next PC in 2030. This assumes that things like buying new tires doesn't come up, or medical issues.

I don't feel good about the future. My circle of possibilities shrinks every year.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago

For what it's worth, you don't need to pay for antivirus. Everyone hates on Windows here (for good reason) but with Windows Defender and common sense you should be fine.

[–] Hannibal@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Six figure income? I don't get that, maybe they have kids or something. They're lucky, I'd dream to have a job that even paid 60k.

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