MonkRome

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[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Sure and work right past them by electing progressives and DSA members.

But for non voters i fear we can shame them, worship them, do everything they want and it still wont matter. They don't vote because it makes them feel superior. Its not about politics, its about needing to feel justified in their belief that they are better. It's just ego. Others are just myopic and act helpless. Until they start getting marched into camps, then they might start to see why voting always matters.

I've watched it over and over, a candidate will agree with someone on 99% of issues, finally a candidate these voters can get behind. Most of those non voters still stay home. They'll find one issue they disagree with, or they'll say it doesn't matter anyway, that every candidate is controlled opposition. I've worked in politics, I've seen the data, I've courted those voters. Until non voters actually show up, mocking them is probably just as good a use of time as any (I'm maybe being flippant here).

Inaction is nearly as big an evil in society as bad action.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Oh I am far more angry at the Dem party. Not voting is still moronic.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You're whole argument is a series of straw mans and doesn't actually address what I said. You can literally go in and vote for no one or only one down ballot candidate you believe in and that would be far more productive than not voting. I could be the most left wing candidate that ever lived and courting non voters would still be a waste in most elections. How are you going to convince me that courting someone that has voted in last 4 elections is less important than courting someone who skipped the last 4? If you don't vote, you've announced to the world you don't care and the world responded as expected.

And exit polling doesn't exist for non voters if they don't vote... Who are these mythical people who never vote but we have mountains of data on. The primary way parties get data is through voter rolls and party affiliation that they cross reference with purchased metadata. If your not voting they have a choice between targeting reliable voters they know support them and complete mysteries that never vote, be real here.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (17 children)

Not voting only tells candidates that you're not a reliable voter, so they can ignore you. They don't see your non-vote as a protest vote, because failing to vote means you don't exist to them. If you want to exist to politicians you have to vote. Also, there are nearly always down ballot candidates that are progressive that get ignored because morons act like the top of the ticket is the only reason to leave their moms basement.

Think of it from the perspective of a candidate, they have endless data showing them that no matter how hard they try they won't meet your moral purity test, so they court reliable voters with their messaging and resources.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Democratic Socialists of America, the are growing fast at the grass roots level.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The #1 rule of not getting caught doing crime is don't do 2 crimes at once. The in #2 rule is don't makes enemies of people that know where the bodies are buried. Sounds like you worked for idiots.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've never understood that argument. He used some words that evoked the feeling of progressivism. But at no point did he actually say he was progressive or present a progressive vision. He was always slightly left of center, and very clearly ran as that, while having a campaign that appealed broadly. I honestly think people took "hope", " change" and first black president and just assumed it.

I challenge you to find even one piece of Obama campaign lit that actually presented him as a progressive.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Reread your first comment. You implied its not aid, when it clearly is. Of course it comes with imperialist strings from a greedy capitalist empire. Address the imperialism, not the millions of lives saved. You should actually talk with one of the organizations that just lost that aid, I have. You think a gay person in India that was kicked out of his family, on the street homeless and sick, cares where the money came from that runs the shelter feeding him and keeping him alive until he gets a job? Do you think the person getting life saving tb or aids medicine cares where the money came from? They care that it keeps coming because being alive is their top priority.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I personally know projects USAID funding kept afloat. Very real people are dying and in dire straits due to the funding cuts. Also PEPFAR funding died under the cuts and then was only partially reinstated. PEPFAR represents what is likely the most successful humanitarian project in world history. I'm not aware of any project saving as many lives and it has been greatly weakened. PEPFAR is credited with saving 26 million lives and funding reductions will absolutely kill millions. Feel free to criticize aspects of USAID you specifically disagree with, but there is no question it saves and improves lives around the world.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

How fragile is your ego when you have to say "nuh uh" to something so unambiguous?

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Edit: removing most details, not needed.

Don't be a divider, be a helper.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Honestly not enough context here to answer. Are they a former close friend, distant aquintence, former love interest? Do you have a pattern of long period of time with no catch up? A lot of thing in relationships are contextual based on set expectations.

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