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KMS38 has now been removed from the MAS script. Users are advised to use HWID or TSforge activation instead.
So you can still activate Windows through the other means in the script already. I dunno the ins n' outs, of what makes one method better than another. When I checked it seemed HWID was the first option and the one most people use anyway sooooo...
You're right, but still. Reduction of options is never good for the community.
Linux is easier to use than trying to registry hack your way into a local account.
no, im a linux user. if someone doesnt want to dedicate time to adopt and learn, linux isnt "easier". even if linux was as easy as windows (idk it can even be compared tbh); its different. different requires time and effort, if someone cant do that (for any reason, this isnt a judgement), its not an easy move.
You need to dedicate time to adopt and learn how to get a local account on Windows and clear out the bullshit you don't want.
I recently switched to Linux. At first I was surprised at how easy it was to set up and get working, then I was annoyed at having to look up how to do every little thing I know how to do on Windows and considered switching back.
Then I booted into Windows and in less than 10 minutes was fed up the whole OS. I realized I had to look up things just as often as I was on Linux, but in Linux it was because I didn't know where it was, where as on Windows it was actively hidden from me and fighting me every step of the way.
Windows is in no way easier, It's just the struggle you've gotten so used to fighting with every single day that you've forgotten it exists.
yea and if u think that 'switch' is not deidcated time to learn then idek. im not saying windows is easier or its bs its easier to bypass. but each step of window's bullshit for a used to user is gonna be less effort than a switch. if someone cant do that effort (for any reason), there isnt a way around it
i haven't done serious it work since xp and still any troubleshooting and even searching for personal computer answers is still far easier on windows. the fundamentals are fundamentals especially when you watch them get more complicated since dos. hide and seek and tricking windows is a familiar game. whereas linux will always be somewhat strange despite having used them equally as long and the more recent.
hmm, yea i do see that windows just has been similar enough since its early days. with just more hidden and "renewed" same things. diversity and changes in linux are quite different from that. ubuntu's early days probably wont translate experience into current ubuntu, windows 98 is gonna translate atleast a bit to windows 11
I don't disagree in general. However, my mom has been running Linux with a Windows XP skin for almost 8 years now without knowing she's using Linux. Literally just keeps her from running a random .exe and she does everything on a browser anyway.
In my experience, it's usually power users or basic users with very specific application requirements, who have trouble moving between operating systems. There's usually a FOSS alternative to those applications, but often requires reworking a workflow or upskilling more than they want to. But they're still basic users so it's more a speed bump than a road block.
So yeah, most people can switch to MacOS without an issue, and the vast majority of those can switch to a distro like Fedora or Ubuntu and quickly feel comfortable.
Power users get stuck in this situation where they've learned how to do advanced things in Windows, have things tweaked to support more complex and peculiar workflows, but often don't understand the actual concepts behind them. And even if they do understand the concepts, they still have to learn the alternatives in a new OS, and rebuild their workflows. Now, there's a lot more ability to learn behind the scenes about the why and how with Linux and BSD, so I'd argue they'd be better off to just suck it up and get started, and they'll be better off before long.
My wife is not technical and has no interest in adopting and learning anything.
The web works the same way regardless of the OS, and LibreOffice has all the same features as Word that she uses.
The "hard part" is choosing and upgrading hardware, and maybe installation (depending on distribution).
I mention this because I think we should evaluate these differently. With a preloaded desktop/laptop, I've had no issues with anyone that actually relates to Linux (except my BIL who was trying to build an arcade stick for gaming).
Explaining to my other BIL how to select hardware for his custom build, that took some time, as did guiding him through the installation.
What are you afraid she is going to have to learn? Where the apps are? You have to do that with a new Windows install. I find people vastly overestimate the complexity of Linux. The UIs have VASTLY improved. I go to the terminal when I want to, not because I've been forced there. Thanks to Steam and their Proton layer, gaming hasn't been an issue. I think there are too many Linux users out there worried they'll lose their wizard status if everyone finds out how much easier Linux is vs how it used to be. Or how most perceive it to be.
I'm a Windows Server admin by trade and have been daily driving Linux at home for almost two years now. I am VERY familiar with the Windows UI, and yes more technical than the average person. Linux on the desktop has been very easy. More people should be giving it a shot as Microsoft makes us jump through hoops to do what we want.
... what?
im sorry but LibreOffice might have all the features of word but it certainly has a really bad user experience. i write often and libreoffice writer is difficult to say the least, not because of lack of features but a lack of most 'little things' and 'tweaks'. i can definitely see someone switching to libreoffice from word, but saying its not 'hard' is untrue or a biased take in my opinion and using both suites (more familiar with libre though lmao).
i do agree that for a mostly web based user as is commonplace nowadays, a preloaded linux thats been decently built is gonna be a significantly easy switch.
on a slight tangent, but linux for me was a way to rebuild my love for computers after windows systematically fucked things. and i really enjoy the learning process. so personally i still encourage people to spend the time in the learning process atleast a bit
i write often and libreoffice writer is difficult to say the least, not because of lack of features but a lack of most ‘little things’ and ‘tweaks’.
I think you're missing the fact that you are doing more 'expert' things than most here. The majority of the time, my wife opens a document she made once, saves as a new file (no, she's not using templates - don't get me started), and writes her invoice. She then PDFs it and sends it via email.
She does the same thing with Calc and a previously made blank "monthly calendar". Opens the blank, saves for the client, enters in the days and renames the month at the top, notes what she'll be doing for them on each day with an hour estimate, PDF and email.
That is the kind of thing most people do.
ah fuck, i did this
I think 'writing stuff in a word processor' is something every high school kid did, even if it's generally web based nowadays.
In fact, everyone in this thread has done basically that.
thats kinda the thing tho, the person states their wife uses web based. so the offline solution doesnt need to be all-in-one
I was seriously considering posting it but didn't want you to think I was being a dick about it 😀
appreciated, reality checks are best served plain
No, a nice herbal garnish is pretty nice to have.
Yeah, LibreOffice stuck with the old UI/UX for better and worse. Luckily we do have a nice selection of Office Suites in addition to them. OnlyOffice, WPS Office, Collabora, KDE Calligra, Softmaker Office… surely there's one for everyone on Linux.
Personally I like OnlyOffice.
and i also say this as someone who is required to use windows at work. i despise windows, its so much harder for me to use windows given linux been my daily driver for a long time. im annoyed at powershell, explorer, clunky shortcut behaviors, etc just about every second im on windows. its a nightmare difficulty for me, but i also refuse to ever relearn windows stuff. i do remember a time when it wasnt annoying as fuck to use, could be nostalgia or that people just adopt.
using windows as a linux user is a nightmare. but if someone is adopted to windows, the opposite is gonna be similar no matter what.
Well, the whole reason people have to "adopt and learn" is because M$ bought their way onto virtually every new PC sold back in the 90s, so people's first experience would be their "operating system."
Talk about leveraging anchoring bias.
I'd argue you'd have a hard time selling Windows to people if you were honest about it.
For just 145€ you get:
- an operating system that assumes you're an inept idiot
- ads in your application launcher
- a screenshot taken every minute, which gets stored outside your control and analysed by "AI"
- an invasive "assistant" that listens in on your microphone at all times
- forced to create an account to log in to "your" machine, so we can collect even more personal data
Especially when the alternative is free and let's you do whatever you want with your hardware. And if you happen to misconfigure something you get to be an adult about it and learn from your mistakes.
I don’t think you realize just how complicated it has become to administer windows these days.
One more reason never to install windows.
Windows has become too shitty to pay for. And now they do this.
What is Windows?
Those things that let light in your home, car, bus, train ,etc
Wait there is something behind the curtain?
I did heard something about non-working airports etc. I think it's better for people to get rid of this malicious software.
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