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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Finally someone with a voice said it.

Epic gives so many games away, but their launcher and store are so bad that I don't even play their free games.

I don't care if Uni wants to run a store. But forcing me to use their store when I buy the game on steam is pretty af. So I don't play Ubi games either.

Their shit launcher made the games run worse.

In present day. I dont want to use Windows. So I simply cannot play much if the new games from the other shit companies because they have some vendetta against Proton / Steam Deck.

Now they're literally doing it to themselves.

If I could testify for Valve as a customer I would.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

i think personally Steam's/Valve's dominance is really good here's why:

  • Improving Linux gaming,improving Wine and DXVK for gaming,so you dont rely on Microsoft for your OS.
  • Great client(i like the: inbuilt Chromium based browser,Community features)
  • Not so awful and maybe simple DRM methods(eg, needing the Steam client doesnt tank the performance that much,compared to something like denuvo which i think makes modding impossible,needs consistent internet connection,and tanks the game's fps alot )
  • I can buy with cash giftcard to buy games(I wish GOG had that)
  • Workshop for modding on supported games.(ik some games have workshop and dont let you mod everything)
  • Makes/has good games(Half-life 2 is the best game i ever played)

but the bad things:

  • Steam Client is still 32 bit and Steam doesnt target ARM(E,G. For like M1+ macs,those need rosetta )
  • third party clients arent a option
  • You dont own anything you buy on Steam.
  • Having the Steam client open at all times(ik not all games have this, but i assume CEF based Steam will lower the performance like slightly)
  • TF2 neglect
  • lootboxes/battle pass in some games(i am aware Valve was the first company to have a battle pass and fortnite popularized it)
    alright thats what i think of the Good and bad of Valve/Steam

Edit: Fixed Paragraph break.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think you switched to cons without saying.

I admit I haven't tried very many, but I think you can launch any steam app "normally" without steam running. If you can find the executable or startup script, you can just point a shortcut to it. Some games will need Steam Services to run, but it's not blocked or anything.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a 'but the bad things' buried in the middle, desperately wanting a line break.

I did the same thing initially and tried re-reading it as sass. Especially if "TF2 neglect" was considered positive.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 22 hours ago

There’s a ‘but the bad things’ buried in the middle, desperately wanting a line break.

Thanks for the feedback, i have fixed it

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I admit I haven’t tried very many, but I think you can launch any steam app “normally” without steam running. If you can find the executable or startup script, you can just point a shortcut to it. Some games will need Steam Services to run, but it’s not blocked or anything.

I think i mentioned this,? but there are Steam games that dont let you use it without having the client open, but yeah there are Steam games that work without the client.

I think you switched to cons without saying.

Its there but i didnt have a line break.

[–] JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

they said it but there's not a paragraph break do it's easy to miss

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

Steam had been one of the good companies so far. Until they showed clear signs of enshitiffication, I will patronise Steam.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (17 children)

Steam is the very, very rare case of a major company that is both not beholden to shareholders, and has a pretty good guy at the helm.

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Steam kinda killed gaming piracy for many. Hope they won't go the Netflix way in the future.

[–] Fleur_@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They did for me, then my cost of living went up along with the cost of games. Now I'll only buy games that I intend to play multiplayer

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For me cost of living went up but cost of games down. I mostly play indie games now since i find big AAA games not that interesting with one maybe two exceptions per year.

[–] Fleur_@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depends on what games you play. I play lots of studio games and don't play a lot of indies. Now I just pirate. To paraphrase a wise man "this may or may not technically be legal... But 105aud for a new video game is a straight up crime"

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it sucks. A major reason that I abandoned Nintendo's Switch 2, and returned to PC after playing in Switch for some years. I used to pay 30-50€ for AAA, but they wanted people to jump to 70-80€.

[–] Fleur_@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, from what I've heard Nintendo earns their pricetag by making some of the best games you can buy. That being said they are essentially luxury products at this point and just because they've earned the pricetag, doesn't mean I can afford it.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

it's crazy how you offer people convenience and they willingly pay for it. I remember steam killing piracy before DRM or anything like that existing

[–] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You make it sound like drm didn't exist before steam or like steam isn't a form of drm itself. Old drm was more basic and far less nefarious, like entering a cd key or codes in your manual. This later escalated to online activated cd keys. At the very least, these forms of drm didn't run all the time like steam did- I remember steam getting huge pushback (from myself included) because it ran like absolute dogshit. Later forms of drm got worse with checks in the discs that collected data on your pc (securom, anyone?). Steam did a lot of good things but it did not erase drm- it merely created another form of it (I.e. You no longer own your games, you are buying licenses they can revoke at any time)

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I remember CD keys but that's about it

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i kinda agree:
but its still possible to pirate some Steam games without the Steam Client,
and some still require it.

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[–] D06M4@lemmy.zip 97 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I only buy games on Steam, GOG and ItchIO. The main reason I don't give a cent to stores from EA, Ubisoft or Epic Games anymore is their services and terms are horrible. I'm all in for supporting competition when it's good competition.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 35 points 2 days ago (21 children)

I would buy from GOG too, if they provided Linux support in form of an official launcher. And if available also official Linux builds. Back in the days GOG did that, but they stopped doing it. And before someone comes after me, I know there are alternative launchers on Linux. But I don't want to give GOG money for work others doing it for free. I don't want support a company who only cares about Windows.

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[–] Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 99 points 3 days ago (17 children)

And it will last til Gabe dies. Then I guarantee it enshittifes so fast it will make your head spin.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 67 points 3 days ago (7 children)

As long Valve doesn’t become publicly traded they will be fine. The problems start when companies optimize for shareholder value rather than customer value.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 35 points 3 days ago

Private equity buyout would be the same problem but even faster.

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[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

I think valve has the absolute worst skins market out there but their store is really good.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How to explain Steam's success on PC for console players: "Think of it like the X1 vs PS4 era. Steam is the PS4 and every competitor was the Xbox One"

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's far to generous to other companies, they were far more like the WiiU.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

I was thinking more along the lines of being proud of shit features that consumers despise, to the point it becomes an ad for your main competitor, like the PS4 "how to share a game with a friend" video

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I feel like they've earned it because they've put in the most work. They are the best in the game because they make the user experience the best there is. EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft have/had their own storefronts or launchers but they are clunky and unpleasant to deal with and the only benefits they had were exclusives. They've never put any effort into user experience and were mainly doing it to make themselves more money and it definitely showed. The only one that's ever been a real competitor is Epic Launcher. And while it has gotten better over the years, the user experience is still not anywhere near Steam. And even now the Epic Launcher is still unpleasant to deal with in a lot of cases unless you just use it to play Fortnite.

With Steam everything just works and is basically seamless. Not only that, before Steam the modding community for most games had an immense learning curve and most people just avoided it save for Minecraft. And as far as I can tell you can't even mod games you buy on the Microsoft Store because their file structure is atrocious.

The only storefront I wish was better/more popular was GOG. It's not bad and has a lot of benefits (Like no DRM and offline installers), but Steam just makes everything so easy it's hard not to get stuck with them once you've started.

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