this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2025
39 points (100.0% liked)

Chapotraphouse

14323 readers
463 users here now

Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.

No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer

Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
all 33 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Per the modlog, deploying their excellent rhetorical tactic of “I wish I could beat other users to death with a tire iron”

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't take that as a realistic threat tbh

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

I dunno but I saw them being an asshole to people all the time, could be that

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

They were very aggressive, and wouldn't back down, basically. They did threaten actionable violence against specific named people, a la tire iron, a number of times, and the last one was really the last straw.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

And in particular there was a lot of aggression targeted towards our own users, and towards other socialist public figures. The wrong kind of aggression, at the wrong target.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Tbh "when you visited Seattle I was considering picking you up just to prove that no one here would care enough to ransom you" is a WAY more actionable threat than "I'd like to beat you with a tire iron".

Who hasn't been casually threatened online with violence? Talking about beating the shit out of someone is so commonplace it's almost cliché. And I say that as a victim of that kind of violence.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it can't really be actionable if the Seattle visit was forever ago, right? Maybe it deserves removal, but Nak's ban was in large part because they kept doing it, when Nakoichi should've long toned it down.

And I think we'd generally prefer to not have a community where users regularly threaten violence towards each other, it doesn't really feel like the atmosphere Hexbear's meant to have, even if it's not generally unusual.

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

idk not to get too deep in another instance's struggle session but i kinda feel like death threats are so deeply ingrained in internet culture that it would be neither possible nor desirable to completely eradicate them. maybe that's just a product of the exact age i am. it's one of my shakier takes

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Half of it is that we don't want more LEO attention, actionable threats of violence just aren't really something we can keep online. Hexbear is also supposed to be something of a refuge for Hexbears, where we don't have to deal with the toxicity and reactionaries that pervade real life and the wider internet. We've had a rule against harassment of users that we've enforced for years.

As long as you don't violate the ToS and CoC your stuff won't be removed. I can advocate violence against slave-owners, or say "Death to Amerika" all I want on Hexbear, since they don't violate the normal rules, and those aren't targeted at a user, a specific person, or a specific organization. After all posting about killing slaveowners (as in even specifically Civil War slave-owners, John Brown type posting) is why r/chapo was banned, and had to migrate to Hexbear.

I hope I'm explaining this well. I don't mod in this comm, but I mod a bunch of other places on Hexbear, so I like to think I understand the rules and their reasoning.

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 months ago

yeah that does make sense. i guess i wasn't aware of all the lore behind nakoichi either. maybe the world i imagined when i was 14-18 never existed lmao

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago

If we're talking about "toxicity" and an "environment" that's non-threatening, it's worth saying that a big part of the grudge involved was because Nako as a mod banned one of the most chronically aggressive and sectarian and bad-faith users on this site.

People are responsible for themselves and Nako should have known way better than to cross what was a well-established line, but it's worth keeping in mind the context that makes this not just a once-off thing.

Also if someone were to mention that they were tracking my movements, and had a personal motive to do me harm instead of a spur-of-the-moment one, I would be a lot more concerned than if someone just said "beat you with (insert rigid object here)". The former fulfills motivation, ability, and prompt; the latter covers just a fleeting motivation.

[–] Aradino@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago

The constant aggression, threats of violence, crash outs, telling another user to kill themselves, fondness for tire irons, the list goes on

Also refusal to ever learn

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 33 points 4 months ago

Threats of violence

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

Forgot to specify "in Minecraft" minecraft

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

yeah i've been pretty busy so i was thinking of asking the same

I knew Nako would get fired up sometimes and was personally more on the "your anger is a gift" side of things, but now that I'm hearing that they wanted to beat other hexbears with a tire iron - yeah i get it

suicide baiting too? come on man. a damn shame

remember to log off sometimes

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

I don't think it was the proximate reason, but suicide baiting a user definitely didn't help

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Clippy@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

looks like he was threatening violence during struggle session on analysis.

from my very brief immediate surface inspection - it seem they interpreted that the understanding that AIPAC has influence in american politics must conclude that we exist under a "Zionist occupied government" and became very upset, then using phrases implying the beating of other users with a tire iron

that saying aipac has influence in american politics is on par with pushing that ridiciously ZOG theory.

i am not fully confident is putting out my thoughts but i thought this substack does a pretty good job explaining it

[–] abc@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

looks like a struggle session on analysis.

no it was definitely because they were threatening to beat people with a tire iron lmao

[–] Clippy@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

oh sorry right i am wrong, don't know why i worded it that way - i had the sentence in my head but forgot to type it

[–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

FWIW, Nakoichi apologized on an Alt account, took responsibility, and expressed the desire to touch grass, because online was becoming too important.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

wasn't that someone impersonating them?

edit: it was

[–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

The real Nakoichi did say "I made a comment I probably shouldn't have"

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A happy ending for all involved tbh. I have also had some periods being way too angry online. It feels good to unplug lol.

[–] Aradino@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That was someone impersonating them.

[–] PowerLurker@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

feel like we should finally close c/fakenews after that, it's super obvious who it was...

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hexbear lore is complicated

[–] PowerLurker@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

yeah i wouldn’t trouble yourself with it lol. it’s in its “warring cliques that all suck” internet forum arc.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

That’s wild lmao

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

On one level it was him allowing himself to be baited into getting aggro on people.

On another level it was people with a personal vendetta against him looking for just the right offense to jump on.

Debating the semantics over the symbiotic/mutualistic nature of the American state and the Israeli state should never have been a struggle session.
Debating whether to have isntrael instead of just idf-cool should not have blown up as much either.