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Frustrated Windows 10 users are jumping ship to macOS.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 88 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You mean having an AI watch everything you do isn’t a good selling point?

[–] hcf@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I don't think it's AI aversion. The problem is that Windows 11 guts the muscle memory that older consumers have built up from using prior generations of Microsoft Windows.

If a company is going to dick me over by suddenly changing/hiding/abstracting-away parts of their OS that I used to (an am used to) use on a daily basis, then I'd rather relearn a new OS from a company that doesn't have the track record of totally redoing their entire OS in the course of a single OS generation.

If I also have a little bit more disposable income and am anticipating a poor economic downturn, I'm going with the device that I can go to a physical brick-and-mortar place and have it serviced as opposed to the crap shoot that is any other Windows-licensed manufacturer's device.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 60 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Those new Apple users are gonna be bummed when MacOS does the same thing in the very near future.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The immediate regret will be when they discover that Ctrl isn't where they expect it to be, followed by the discovery that it doesn't get used for copy and paste anyway.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The very first thing I did was swap around ctrl and cmd on my mechanical keyboard.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I found a setting to switch the key functions, but it still doesn't help with the other differences. I just have to learn to mentally change gears when using a Mac.

Moving the cursor by words, for example, is ctrl-cursor on PC, but option-cursor on Mac. So switching Ctrl/Fn doesn't help with that.

Not to mention tapping on the screen to select something does not go well on the Mac...

[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

You can use Linux-like text navigation on macOS: ctrl-a goes to the start of the line, ctrl-e to the end, ctrl-f forward, etc.

I mostly use Windows, macOS second, with some Linux in distant third. Yet those Unix-style bindings are what I miss most in Windows applications that don’t support remapping.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Over a decade in and I haven’t internalized the text selection and cursor movement differences TBH. You can rebind the system key combos though if it really bothers you that much. I’m just not really using the keyboard as much anymore now that I use a trackpad for everything.

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[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

So far my only gripe with MacOS is my inability to remember how to copy paste.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

The command key is basically the control key in MacOS and most of your basic commands are the same.

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[–] tahoe@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Part of me wishes I was a Windows user because Microsoft gives so many good reasons to switch to Linux. But even though I don’t use any of Apple’s services, I’m just too well off on macOS, got no real reason to switch.

Not saying macOS will never suck, and it already does in some aspects, but its suck factor has been pretty stable for the last 15 years I’ve been using it.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s really sad that macOS is the only major operating system that functions on API calls for UI elements and system calls. Part of what makes windows awful is the terrible UI inconsistencies between apps. 3rd party app can’t hook into the system or each other easily because there are so few shared APIs. It’s crazy that macOS has the best utility apps all because of the shared API library and that the other operating systems don’t want to copy or unify with them.

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[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 57 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean MacOSX put AI in the OS, Siri, and all their apps as well so I can't really see how the change would be do to AI. Privacy maybe

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

On MacOS, at least for now, AI isn't prominent at all. I've been using an M4 Air for a month before I remembered that Apple Intelligence was a thing and had to google how to use it. So far it only seems to be partially available in 1st party Apple apps which I don't use anyway.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Mail, Messages, Notes, Phone, Photos, Reminders, Safari, Shortcuts are all being integrated. That's outside of the whole image creation, integration into smartlook (basically windows search), and whatever else I can't think of at the moment. The one good thing I've seen is that you can turn it off. But it does scan your text to provide synonyms, summaries, rewordings... And that's just what it shows when I click intro.

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[–] zewm@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Have you actually used Siri? It’s a fucking joke Apple has no idea how to do AI. I think they will be better off than on Windows.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 12 points 2 weeks ago

Siri is bad but at least it has natural language processing. I think it's so funny how CEOs have no idea how LLMs work.

Over a year ago Apple literally ran an ad showing off an "Apple Intelligence" feature that you could tell nobody at Apple ran by the actual engineers before deciding it was possible. It (of course) has still not been released.

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[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

It stays out of your way though. Windows wants it to be your entire pc interface so they can charge you monthly for it eventually

[–] casmael@mander.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Unfortunately the word ‘despite’ has been badly damaged as a result of the improper loads applied by this headline. It looks like it’ll be out of action for at least a couple months, maybe past the end of the season.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

despite Microsoft's push for Copilot+ PCs

Not despite, because of.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 33 points 2 weeks ago

Went to Linux on the old laptop. A smoothing transition as we were using Libreoffice for a few years before. For most people it is not the OS but the apps that stop you moving off Windows.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well, at this point more like out of the fire into the frying pan

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Apple's AI screwup may end up being the best move the company made since the switch to Apple silicon.

[–] tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 11 points 2 weeks ago

its like slipping on a banana to avoid a slash of a chainsaw

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What was the apple ai screw up? I may have missed or forgotten this story.

[–] miguel@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago

Basically it's garbage, Siri effectively just posts your query, sans context, to chatGPT. What comes back is hilariously bad. If they'd integrated it "correctly", it'd probably be as bad as MS. I've played with it a bunch in the store, though my device (intel) doesn't support it at all.

[–] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Windows home and pro editions are now just billboards. Like literal billboards. I don’t know how people put up with this much garbage in their system. Microsoft is actively working against their users. Whatever users say they don’t like, Microsoft triples down on it.

[–] hcf@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

They're not acting against their users, it's just that non-enterprise consumers are a complete afterthought. I.e. less of a "fuck you" to individual consumers and more of a "who the fuck do you think you are?".

Why market or design an OS for individual consumers when the majority of your revenue is going to come from volume licensing by manufacturers that are fulfilling bulk purchases from corporate America/higher-ed?

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

!linux@programming.dev is right there!

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There are very few sellers that have pre-installed Linux laptops which is what majority of people buy. So Linux is automatically discarded as an option in all those sales.

[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is the way!

[–] BearGun@ttrpg.network 12 points 2 weeks ago

For anyone who has to/wants to stay on win 10 for whatever reason, here's a FOSS guide for enabling ESU updates, of course brought to you by a furry.

https://bsky.app/profile/socksthewolf.com/post/3m2depgbys22e

[–] Abrinoxus@lemmy.today 12 points 2 weeks ago
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Privacy on Windows is EOL, so Windows is too.

If you really need x86 for games, there’s SteamOS.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

It was EOL long long ago

The difference was that the user experience was reasonable

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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wish there was a Linux or BSD OEM that sells the same build quality/QA/QC as Apple.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I only know of https://system76.com/ but have no personal experience with them.

[–] miguel@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do. They're garbage cleo laptops with a badge and no support. I had one, when it failed they refused to stand behind it at all.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 4 points 2 weeks ago

Apple PC

So many Apple users' eyes just twitched

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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