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[–] original_reader@lemmy.zip 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Win 7 was definitely the pinnacle of Windows.

With that out of the way, I want to say that I am one of the very few that actually liked Windows 8. Especially on touch devices it worked flawlessly. I was upset when they removed the swipe gestures in Windows 10, like alternating between two apps. On Desktop it could have used a "Windows 7" mode.

Obligatory: Windows 11 is the worst so far. The level of disrespect this software shows towards the user is next level. And this downwards spiral seems to pick up the pace.

Also: Linux is awesome! All who are still hoping that Windows will again respect you one day: just get out now. The more people move to Linux, the better it will be supported.

Edit:

https://lemmy.zip/post/51119369

I rest my case.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (16 children)

The biggest issue with Linux is the culture. I get that longtime users get and understand how to use it. They understand the commands. They know what -r and -n do.

I still look at my microwave daily to remember what the buttons do. There's only 6 buttons and a dial. Although, 7 buttons. I just remembered the dial is also a button. It's the start button.

Point is, I'm not going to learn terminal. I'm going to point the thing. Then I'm going to drag the thing. And I'm going to double click the thing.

I've attempted to learn terminal since 2014. I have a 0% success rate doing anything. Even copy/pasting other peoples commands. I always get an error, and I don't understand the error. So I google the error, and then I don't understand the explaination.

The way I have always explained it is, the OS is like a car. And terminal is how mechanics diagnose and fix the car. I tried changing my oil once, and blew up the car.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks to distros like Bazzite there really isn’t a need to learn the terminal.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Like at all? You don't ever need a command to install/update drivers, repos, packages, software in general, change settings deep in the OS, fix hardware issues, read logs, create accounts, ...

Because all those things you can do with a GUI in Windows. Even the registry is just a folder structure.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So the advantage of GUIs over CLIs is discoverability, right? But the processes for reading logs or fixing hardware issues in Windows are not really discoverable, you still have to search the net and learn, so what's the difference? That the keyboard is scary?

I think most of these complaints are just borne of unfamiliarity.

But to answer your question, as a Bazzite user: definitely "I don't know". I've been using linux for years, it's natural to me to just open the terminal for many things, therefore I'm not sure whether there are roadblocks to a 100% mouse usage, but to be honest, if all you do is use the browser, office suite and games, I'd say that yes, your need to resort to the terminal is almost zero.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't forget accessibility. Proper GUIs are accessible, they convey function and meaning through form. People constantly forget that.

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[–] monogram@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

TLDR Yes

You are asking for things most people don’t know how to handle on windows let alone Linux

  1. install/update drivers/package/apps etc. Yes the discover app runs updates for every on the system
  2. Change settings deep in the os: Yes, kde has an extensive settings app, kde monitor show you all the logs, kde settings allows you to create more user accounts.
  3. Because Bazzite is an atomic distro changing things in the Linux version of the Windows registry is not possible, (unless you’re a developer this is a good thing).
  4. Thanks to apps like Bottles you can run exe’s too

All with a GUI

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

The only family of distros I knew that could do all those things was OpenSuse thanks to YaST. Unfortunately they just sunset that tool without installing the new alternative "Cockpit" by default now, sooo… yeah. A lot of the things you mentioned can be done via GUI like account management, software and such, but by far not everything. The only distro which got most of those covered I can think of would be Linux Mint, there the CLI can be treated as more of a fallback solution or for those who want to use it.

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago

I've been on Mint for like two years and have not opened the terminal yet. You do not have to be a developer or even a power user to run Linux. It's just another operating system.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago

They know what -r and -n do

No we don't magically know that. We know that we have to look it up in the manual to know that.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

If you haven't checked it out here, the culture is actually super helpful.

Also, look up the "man" command. Everything you need to know about every command is already built into your OS, you just have to access the "man file" for it.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 1 week ago

It's not a culture thing. You'd have the same issues in Windows if there was a problem. Plenty snarky and dismissive answers. Some people just want an appliance and that's okay.

The biggest issue is that people end up running on poorly or non supported hardware. Buy a system from a company that designs with Linux in mind. System 76 Tuxedo etc. 90% of the issues are gone, poof. The final bit is dependence on or inability to leave a piece of software. There are options for most things on Linux. But not everything, and not always as you're familiar with. If that's a deal breaker, it's a dealbreaker. And that's too bad but understandable. No shade.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago

Just put Linux mint cinnamon on my laptop a few days ago. It was stupid easy and now my laptop is running fantastic.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Windows 1.0: Just four sticks tied together with rough twine, not attached to any building or anything. Just held in the frame of the photograph in mid air by a pair of really hairy hands.

Windows 12: Same as Windows 11, except missing a window on the door all together.

Windows ME: The driver's side window of a clown car.

Windows 95: Identical to Windows 98.

(There are a lot more like CE, NT, 2000, Server, FLP, RT, Mobile, etc, but I'll end my list there.)

Also, the photo gives way too much credit to Vista. Also, everything from XP and after should at least have bars on the windows. Having to phone home to activate was always unreasonable. The fact that things are way worse now doesn't mean earlier versions were unrestrictive by a long shot. (And believe me. People in XP's era were also horrified at how restrictive and enshittified XP was compared to previous versions.)

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Windows 13: The "window" is back in but actually it's just a 1 way mirror so they can look in but you can't look out

[–] Damage@feddit.it 5 points 1 week ago

Windows 95: Identical to Windows 98.

No because it worked most of the time

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vista was excellent if you had a decent machine. It didn’t run on the ancient machine my parents had, but it ran quite fast on the laptop I had. Never experienced a single crash besides the one when it slipped out of my hand.

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[–] Lulzagna@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

No no, we're not doing this. We're not pretending Vista wasn't absolute dog shit.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vista will always have a special place in my heart. I learned so much from Vista, like 'Oh, wdym I can't go back to XP?" "This is a torrent, and this is an ISO." "This is how you install an OS." "Wdym they're stopping support for XP?" and "This is what Ubuntu is."

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bro vista was such garbage my father, the kinda guy who helps salesmen sell you extra features (believes new = quality/posterity), asked me if it was possible to go back to XP after a week of Vista.

It's not like vista didn't work, it just took 800 years to open any application, and longer to open two at once. He just wanted to play Diablo 2 bro lol

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vista was horrible. 8 was actually not that bad I barely remember 7 existing

But XP and 98 were the best ones

[–] Lulzagna@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh man, 7 were the glory days. Gates came back to save the company.

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[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

Vista needs way more glass and bubbles.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago
[–] tenacious_mucus@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Another one of these with no Win 95…😩

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seriously, 98 was just the third addition of 95, it wasn't really some big thing of its own.

[–] plateee@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago

You could also put Windows 98 Second Edition in there with some niceties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_98

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

Nor Millennium Edition or Windows 2000

Millennium Edition was so bad, it had all the blue screens of their predecessor and successor combined.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 1 week ago
[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Where Win95

Where Windows 2000

Where Windows NT

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[–] Decency8401@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Ipchains: What the fuck did i do?

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Linux would be more like a random assortment of planks, slabs of glass, paint cans, and a handwritten set of assembly tips and tricks.

In XP, the original Office Word95 assistants were my study buddies for countless hours. This is my homage to them.

Fuck Clippy. He's a wind chime now.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don't get why everyone's so hostile to Windows Me. It was a perfectly good operating system for its time. It certainly didn't crash on me any more than 98 did before it, or XP did after it. And it had some genuine improvements grandfathered in from Win2000.

That said, I'm now a Linux user, so my opinions are invalid /j

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago

Windows ME had the same fixed 64KB user resources and 64KB GDI resources memory limits as Windows 95 and Windows 98 for system resource allocation regardless of how much actual RAM you had. Since ME was more resource-intensive than the previous versions, you could run out of these resource allocations while still having very much free RAM much faster.

The end-result was the computer becoming unusable even though you had resources available that the OS could have otherwise used. Certain inefficient applications like I believe Quicken could snarf up all of the system resources so you had to restart with everything you could disabled to run that one application. Same computer on Win2K would run circles around WinME.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

They broke stuff frequently and implemented half baked ideas that didn’t really go anywhere.

ME had the same problems as Vista and 8

By their end of life the next product was a good one because of the problems we went through with the half baked one.

ME brought us XP

Vista brought us 7

8 brought us 8.1

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[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Win95 and Win2K forgotten again.

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 week ago

you forgot Windows 95 which was a huge deal when it came out, arguably a bigger deal than any release since except maybe xp

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Still can't get over them making a big deal about 10 being the last one ever.

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[–] Sat@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What the hell is Windows 9

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[–] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Would have swapped 8 and vista. Vista was awefull. 8 was very special but 8.1 was actually good... but I was one of the few wierdos with an windows phone, so I liked the design.

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Mmm, windows 9. My childhood is flooding back to me.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

NT/2000 always gets left out of these, I ran 2000 on an old PC for years past XP and Vista even. But all it was doing was running a vinyl and laser cutter.

[–] thaklor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They forgot 95 and ME as well.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ME would just be a brick wall.

And I would happily go back to using 2000 if I could. I held out all the way up to about 2012, at which point the number of games that wouldn't run out of the box got to an untenable amount. :(

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[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Windows 7. Best ever. Miss those days.

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