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Donald Trump’s new security directive labels anti-capitalist beliefs as a predictor of political violence. The irony: left-wing structural analysis actually pushes people away from lone-wolf attacks and toward mass organizing for change.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 60 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's funny because Trump isn't a capitalist. In an open market, his businesses fail. He needs government interferencey China style.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Capitalism =/= free market

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's a fundamental contradiction in the definition of a free market. To some, it means a competitive market. To some, it means an unregulated market. But there can be no competitive market without regulation: without regulation, it almost immediately degenerates into oligopoly and anticompetitive market-rigging among the players. Businesses hate nothing more than they hate competition.

That great cheerleader of capitalism Adam Smith (the original guy, not the twat using his name now) knew that.

"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

That's from his classic work, The Wealth of Nations.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Exactly, if the demand isn't/can't be flexible (eg healthcare, housing) then no matter the amount of competition on the supply side will balance things out in an unregulated market in the long term.

Everyone with the freedom of choice is on the supply side, and everyone on that side benefits from higher prices.
And there is no other metric of success other than profit.
(Nobody has the incentive to undercut the competition unless for later monopoly reasons. But the same manoeuvre can be achieved cheaper via mergers without the loss of revenue due to lower margins.)

That's why healthcare was a problem (with a constantly giant inflation) in the USA even before all the consolidations.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

And former eastern block =/= communism.

I obviously used the mainstream meaning of that word.

Fact is, Trump opposes free market capitalism because he's a terrible business man.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I remember running around twenty years ago asking people (generally educated successful people) how they define capitalism.

Most people are not 100% sure, so they usually guess some form of market and blend it with consumerism.

My guess is that most of this came from Mikhail Gorbachev advertising for Pizza Hut.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

One simple definition of capitalism is making money from ownership instead of from work.

[–] Deme@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago

That's a very narrow definition of capitalism. If free markets hinder the main function of the capitalist system (accumulating capital at the top), it will be eroded and abolished. Monopolies for example are much more profitable than competetive situations. Getting rid of or circumventing open market competition is always good business.

[–] etherphon@midwest.social 14 points 5 days ago

The crime is coming from inside the House.

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Okay, now it's Nineteen Eighty-Four. With hints of Minority Report, Fahrenheit 451, Brazil, and our old friend Idiocracy, of course.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"don"'t build the torment nexus"

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I used to scoff at the comparison to Idiocracy but at this point I'd actually prefer that timeline.

[–] PanGodofPanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

President Camacho cared about his people, recognized problems, and deferred to the knowledge of people he openly admitted were smarter than him to fix them.

I would much prefer a Camacho over a Trump right about now.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So, Terry Crews for president?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He does seem like a good dude, but I'm not sure he even wants the job.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago

but I’m not sure he even wants the job.

Perfect, he's hired!

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago

Where's that venn diagram with all these, and "you are here" in the middle?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Are we starting to use the word "capitalist" the way the Nazis or Soviets used the word "socialist?" As a meaningless label for "the dictator's side?"

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

He may be dependent himself on public funding as much as Elon and the others, but, to be fair, so have all capitalists in history at some point in time or at some level.

Pure capitalism is just a wild fantasy that would require complete disregard of human rights and/or huge advancements and investments in technology with the energy expenditure that entices.

So yeah, capitalist has always been a swear word to me, but I see it used appropriately in this context and in general.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

These are (neutrally) powerful words that could get people ideas in their heads if used and understood properly/literally.
Same even with capitalism and communism, these words (unfortunately but intentionally) mean much more than an economic system basis.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

New eyewitness photos, surreptitiously captured from inside The White House:

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

and the precog is just Trump in a bathtub full of Sudafed watching Fox News and Newsmax on repeat.

[–] Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What irony?

Lone-wolf attacks are a status quo and politically easy to manage/misdirect.

Organised change in the benefit of all people? What are you, a dirty communist? /s

The real irony is that you can tell what ideas are actually good and progressive by looking at the ones Trump&co does not like. It’s almost like there is no such thing as bad press.

[–] MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Every day I hope he gets Julius Caesar'd. Every day... disappointment.

[–] jedibob5@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm hoping for natural causes, tbh. If he's actually killed I don't even want to think about how much insane wanton violence the hardcore MAGA wing will commit in response.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Loooooong bout with locked-in syndrome. 🤞🤞

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

I don't. I hope he has a stroke big enough to trap him in his body but not so big that he isn't aware. Bastard deserves to suffer.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Is he talking about the shit he’s doing with the farmers? That’s a far departure from capitalism. Lock him up.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

I really hope we can reach a point where we don't give this guy headlines.

"Trump declares that anybody that's EVER made fun of him is currently being targeted by every international police force which he has command over, and also that the sky is purple" is a statement totally disconnected from reality. We DO NOT NEED an "Um, actually!" to disprove him.

[–] PacMan@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

Just wait till he learns Ben Franklin socialized Fire Departments

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 3 points 5 days ago

Anti-his-capital-ism.

But let's just be anti-capitalism to be on the safe side.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

Sovcit Hussein spouting off more shit like the throbbing asshole that he is.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

"support for the overthrow of the United States Government," is also one pre-crime per that report. That's reflection right there.

So Marx and Trotsky seemed to be against individual murdering of factory owners et alia. Does that imply that they would've been against the atrocities of Communist states that were perpetrated in their name, or would that have been fine because it was done by the masses in some sense?

Neither saw it happen in great numbers: Marx died before any of his ideas manifested properly, and Trotsky of course was murdered by Stalin in 1940. Holodomor and Soviet Union purges had happened already at that point, but perhaps Trotsky might've thought that those were just the evil of Stalin instead of being a more general mistake of his whole ideology. People tend to think that their political philosophy cannot do bad things.

[–] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

"support for the overthrow of the United States Government,"

Ahh the crime he tried to commit a few years back. Can't have anyone else ever try the same thing.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 180 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] RabiesD@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This makes me think of the of the right wingers calling themselves deplorable or terrorists in response to being labeled as such.

Let's not own up to their labels, let's reject everything they have to say rather than amplify their messaging.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

Let's not mess with labels at all. Let's organize to drive them from power.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 points 6 days ago

You make a decent point.

However, when I made this, my thought process was that they are arresting people for using their first amendment rights while peacefully protesting. Now, the regime is planning to arrest people for "pre-crime". People will absolutely be arrested and charged as a domestic terrorist on the basis that they don't like fascism (Antifa). It's a lot like how they labeled people dangerous subversive communists during the second red scare.

But also, I think it's preferable to litterally do crime against a fascist state then to comply.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 112 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Since when is there even such a thing as a "political crime", let alone any kind of "pre-crime"?

You can't criminalize someone's political beliefs, unless you're talking about making "thought crimes" a thing. And last time I checked "pre-crime" implies you haven't actually committed any crimes yet...which makes you not actually guilty of anything.

This whole fucking premise is based on stupidity.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

You can't criminalize someone's political beliefs

Clearly you can if you're a fascist scum. I'm not surprised at all and things will only get worse if no one stands up to him.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago

Tell that to the Communist Control Act of 1954.

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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 87 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hereby characterize MAGA as early dementia.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 3 points 5 days ago

There's a tentative connection between stroke and MAGA. Just ask Fetterman

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