im slowly turning into raul castro
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Shitposting in other comms please!
The first one is for practice, to make sure we have the process down correctly. The second is the one that counts. And the third? The third is just for me
You're running for LOCAL OFFICE. You don't need to field these questions. Cuba and Venezuela are not your concern.
At least with Israel they can say "NYC is largest population of US Jews, plus generally Americans are concerned about an ongoing genocide, so it is slightly relevant to the NYC mayoral position"
But the mayor of NYC needs no position on Venezuela, it's really easy to just say nothing instead of cosigning war crimes
but if you've got dogshit opinions please do air them so everyone knows who you really are
shut up shut up shut up
you're RUNNING FOR MAYOR shut the fuck up
Fuck. There's no pragmatic reason to fold on this, gusanos in NYC aren't going to tank his race. This is just naked ideology and opportunism.
I issue a formal apology to whomever it was I argued with some months ago in defense of Zohran. I didn't expect a ton from him but I expected better than this. I was wrong. I'm sorry I was wrong. I tried to go back in my comment history to find you and give you the gloating rights you deserve, but it crapped out after 10 pages of looking.
Who are these statements even for? The right will see it as a bold faced lie, people on the far left will hate these statements and see it as a betrayal of core values, and I guess people on the centre left get to use it as a token statement to try shut down right wing critique. Yay.
Lol, you all were shitting on me for calling this like 3 months ago.
he's running for mayor this doesn't actually matter, it's just punching himself in the balls for no reason.
his defense squad have been awful quiet the last few weeks
I critically supported him. Shitting on Cuba and Venezuela is a red line, so I don’t critically support him anymore. Pretending like half of hexbear are secret demsocs is an unfair characterization though.
Edit: I critically supported him because I saw him as helping to develop class consciousness without YET crossing any red lines. Sure, I suspected he could disappoint in the future but I believe and still maintain it’s ok to hold cautious optimism (and be ready for disappointment) instead of just assuming we’ll get fucked over as if it’s a given.
Edit 2: My position is that there are some positions, though correct, are positions that a US politician simply cannot take in public. I don’t like it but I accept it. Talking positively about Stalin, for example. Zohran’s comments about Oct 7 were right on that edge, IMO. But shitting on Cuba, come on. Cuba is like one of the safest ones to support. And shitting on Maduro is actively harmful rn
I critically supported him. Shitting on Cuba and Venezuela is a red line, so I don’t critically support him anymore.
Yepppppp. He's literally just male AOC now. He has the exact same god damn positions.
And where did that bring you? How many times do I have to teach you this lesson?
Reading his Wikipedia article and comparing it with other people like Corbyn and Maduro makes him look so bad in comparison. But I'm not taking about the obvious like comparing what they are now or what they have done because Mamdani obviously hasn't done much by virtue of not having a real political career. Even comparing their very early forays into politics make Mamdani look like a fraud.
Maduro:
- Formed an illegal union and slowly climbed up the ranks within unions.
- Went to Cuba where he was ideologically trained by Cuban communists.
Morales:
- Started out being just some dude who's really interested in football, which was his foot into a coca grower union.
- Slowly climbed the ranks of the union until he became general secretary of the union.
Corbyn:
- Joined the Labour Party and various student activist groups at an early age.
- Attended a May Day parade in Allende's Chile which radicalized him.
Mamdani:
- Ran a bunch of fake elections (student president and so on)
- Worked as a foreclosure prevention and housing counselor
- Got involved in NYC politics
Overall, Mamdani's backstory paints him as some dude who just wants to be an elected politician and have always wanted to be an elected politician since he was little. He was never involved in any labor organizing or political activism. Given his backstory, it will isn't that surprising he would completely capitulate because none of his history thus far show him as someone who cares about anything but the trajectory of his own political career. He's just young enough that he doesn't have much of a political career yet, so there's less opportunity for him to go mask off in being a careerist.
Edit: I thought about it some more, and my impression of him is even worse now. Let's look at Sanders. Sanders started out as a participant of the civil rights movement. Mamdani is a millennial, and the millennial equivalent of civil rights activism is stuff like anti-Iraq war protests and BLM. But was he even a participant in those activism or any activism at all? Was he protesting against the Iraq war? Was he protesting against police brutality? Was he even involved in Occupy, the millennial movement that first started in the same exact city he's running for mayor?
Damn, I didn't care for him at all, and even I feel bamboozled after reading his Wikipedia article. Shoulda done the bare amount of investigation by reading a Wikipedia article and going off on him when a lot of his stans are still around lmao
One of the tags for
should be Mamdani.
It's going to keep happening until the socdems are purged.
It was like a month ago that criticizing Mamdani would get you waves of angry socdems saying "but the right opposes him!"
Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.
Nope you can't say that, it's not allowed, we're a left unity forum not a commy forum how are you gonna court the socdems talking like that please consider how you build a movement out of this, mods mods mods (context, I'm just complaining)
This is just one moderator's perspective (mine, if that isn't clear); take it as such:
Nowhere on the site do we officially advertise as a "Left-Unity" community, which I believe is a colloquialism used in an attempt to succinctly describe the site and its vibe, especially to people outside the site. That being, we don't discourage baby leftists from joining the site, and we don't explicitly advertise as either an Anarchist forum or a Marxist/Marxist-Leninist forum. We're going to inevitably have new users on the site where this is their dealing with this kind of opertunism. People's understanding doesn't come with age, it comes with education, and I'll be real here and tell you it's comrades on this site that became the catalyst for me to read more theory, which has sharpened my understanding of electoralism in the context of revolutionary struggle.
My interpretation of the rule:
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism.
Is that it is intended as a rule for mediating the existing tensions between Anarchist and Marxist-Leninist tendencies. I can't speak for historical rulings on the matter, but that is my understanding and interpretation. So threads like this one, do not fall under that rule, in my opinion.
Why do this
Because he believes it, because he's a piece of shit American. None of these people are hiding it.
I knew it
and Trump is acting just like those authoritarian dictators too!
Can they just invent like ONE good American pls
This is getting a bit silly
There's lots, but as a rule you won't see them on the democratic ticket
Have you heard the story of a scorpion and dsa?
Fuck this social fascist piece of shit
Idiot
hahaha fuck this guy lmao
Lol. Lmao even.
🗲ohran Mamdani
Oh look mistrusting someone because they are „too good“ at left lib PR did pay off in the end.
This basically confirms he's winning the election and then being the AOC stopgap to any further socialist reforms.
If random gusanos gets him to think this way who knows what the dems have done.
Socdems going to socdem I suppose. I always saw his campaign as a good way to actually push socialist ideas onto people, when he is constantly capitulating to the ruling class, despite his campaign promises, that's when our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn't actually helping them and that you can't fix the system from within.
Just because well read socialists know that electoralism is a dead end doesn't mean that your average person does, so having an actual direct example of it not working is important for agitprop and education. How many people here are leftists because they were inspired by Bernie Sanders, or someone similar in their own countries/cities?
that's when our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn't actually helping them and that you can't fix the system from within.
Nobody is going to listen to the "comrades" who campaigned for him and put him into power, they lose their credibility when he sells out. That's the danger of tying your reputation to opportunists
our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn’t actually helping them and that you can’t fix the system from within.
They wont, they were defeated and spend the last months extolling his virtues on here and causing many much more disciplined to leave this forum. I was nearly one of them.
color me so surprised