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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 79 points 1 month ago (1 children)

im slowly turning into raul castro

[–] spudnik@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

The first one is for practice, to make sure we have the process down correctly. The second is the one that counts. And the third? The third is just for me chefs-kiss

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 1 month ago
[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 58 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Lol, you all were shitting on me for calling this like 3 months ago.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 month ago (4 children)

his defense squad have been awful quiet the last few weeks

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (22 children)

I critically supported him. Shitting on Cuba and Venezuela is a red line, so I don’t critically support him anymore. Pretending like half of hexbear are secret demsocs is an unfair characterization though.

Edit: I critically supported him because I saw him as helping to develop class consciousness without YET crossing any red lines. Sure, I suspected he could disappoint in the future but I believe and still maintain it’s ok to hold cautious optimism (and be ready for disappointment) instead of just assuming we’ll get fucked over as if it’s a given.

Edit 2: My position is that there are some positions, though correct, are positions that a US politician simply cannot take in public. I don’t like it but I accept it. Talking positively about Stalin, for example. Zohran’s comments about Oct 7 were right on that edge, IMO. But shitting on Cuba, come on. Cuba is like one of the safest ones to support. And shitting on Maduro is actively harmful rn

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

I critically supported him. Shitting on Cuba and Venezuela is a red line, so I don’t critically support him anymore.

Yepppppp. He's literally just male AOC now. He has the exact same god damn positions.

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[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

No they’ve been loud as shit telling us he’s paving the way for the democratic socialists of amerikkka to elect more democrats in New York

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[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

he's running for mayor this doesn't actually matter, it's just punching himself in the balls for no reason.

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That was actually my take at the time.

He was gonna Lib out, but lets be frank, would him fucking Tankie posting really help him win this campaign? Outside of us and some weird old Maoists left over from the anti-Vietnam era, every "leftist" in this country is Lib as fuck.

Critical support I guess.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

He didn't have to say this, it doesn't help his campaign at all. It wasn't even prompted. He said this because he believes it, because he's an American chauvinist social democrat.

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And where did that bring you? How many times do I have to teach you this lesson? back-to-me

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[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago

shut up shut up shut up

you're RUNNING FOR MAYOR shut the fuck up

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're running for LOCAL OFFICE. You don't need to field these questions. Cuba and Venezuela are not your concern.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At least with Israel they can say "NYC is largest population of US Jews, plus generally Americans are concerned about an ongoing genocide, so it is slightly relevant to the NYC mayoral position"

But the mayor of NYC needs no position on Venezuela, it's really easy to just say nothing instead of cosigning war crimes

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

but if you've got dogshit opinions please do air them so everyone knows who you really are

[–] jack@hexbear.net 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago

Because he believes it, because he's a piece of shit American. None of these people are hiding it.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Who are these statements even for? The right will see it as a bold faced lie, people on the far left will hate these statements and see it as a betrayal of core values, and I guess people on the centre left get to use it as a token statement to try shut down right wing critique. Yay.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago

and Trump is acting just like those authoritarian dictators too!

liberalism

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can they just invent like ONE good American pls

This is getting a bit silly

[–] jack@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's lots, but as a rule you won't see them on the democratic ticket

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fuck this social fascist piece of shit

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One of the tags for fell-for-it-again-award fell-for-it-again neon-fell-for-it-evangelion should be Mamdani.

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Reading his Wikipedia article and comparing it with other people like Corbyn and Maduro makes him look so bad in comparison. But I'm not taking about the obvious like comparing what they are now or what they have done because Mamdani obviously hasn't done much by virtue of not having a real political career. Even comparing their very early forays into politics make Mamdani look like a fraud.

Maduro:

  • Formed an illegal union and slowly climbed up the ranks within unions.
  • Went to Cuba where he was ideologically trained by Cuban communists.

Morales:

  • Started out being just some dude who's really interested in football, which was his foot into a coca grower union.
  • Slowly climbed the ranks of the union until he became general secretary of the union.

Corbyn:

  • Joined the Labour Party and various student activist groups at an early age.
  • Attended a May Day parade in Allende's Chile which radicalized him.

Mamdani:

  • Ran a bunch of fake elections (student president and so on)
  • Worked as a foreclosure prevention and housing counselor
  • Got involved in NYC politics

Overall, Mamdani's backstory paints him as some dude who just wants to be an elected politician and have always wanted to be an elected politician since he was little. He was never involved in any labor organizing or political activism. Given his backstory, it will isn't that surprising he would completely capitulate because none of his history thus far show him as someone who cares about anything but the trajectory of his own political career. He's just young enough that he doesn't have much of a political career yet, so there's less opportunity for him to go mask off in being a careerist.

Edit: I thought about it some more, and my impression of him is even worse now. Let's look at Sanders. Sanders started out as a participant of the civil rights movement. Mamdani is a millennial, and the millennial equivalent of civil rights activism is stuff like anti-Iraq war protests and BLM. But was he even a participant in those activism or any activism at all? Was he protesting against the Iraq war? Was he protesting against police brutality? Was he even involved in Occupy, the millennial movement that first started in the same exact city he's running for mayor?

Damn, I didn't care for him at all, and even I feel bamboozled after reading his Wikipedia article. Shoulda done the bare amount of investigation by reading a Wikipedia article and going off on him when a lot of his stans are still around lmao

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.

[–] wideopenarms@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Nope you can't say that, it's not allowed, we're a left unity forum not a commy forum how are you gonna court the socdems talking like that please consider how you build a movement out of this, mods mods mods (context, I'm just complaining)

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[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

Fuck. There's no pragmatic reason to fold on this, gusanos in NYC aren't going to tank his race. This is just naked ideology and opportunism.

I issue a formal apology to whomever it was I argued with some months ago in defense of Zohran. I didn't expect a ton from him but I expected better than this. I was wrong. I'm sorry I was wrong. I tried to go back in my comment history to find you and give you the gloating rights you deserve, but it crapped out after 10 pages of looking.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago
[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

god it hurts to think I was at all optimistic about this...thing.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago

Lol. Lmao even.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago
[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wait, c/Electoralism isn't a prank community?

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Idk I didn't wanna post this on main and get crucified

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This comm is the quarantine zone for Electoralism, you did right.

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[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

you hate to see it. You could have taken command of one of the juiciest mayoral seats in the world, could made a fucking mark on the nation's history. you could have had your own Red Guards one day if you called for them, the people are hungry man... they would defend you if you fed them.

Instead you will enjoy being bending over to the demands of your class enemies everyday. you were too libshit to embrace the beautiful power of the dictatorship of the proletariat, now your destiny is the dustbin like every other "social democratic" loser.

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[–] heresiarch@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

hahaha fuck this guy lmao

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Socdems going to socdem I suppose. I always saw his campaign as a good way to actually push socialist ideas onto people, when he is constantly capitulating to the ruling class, despite his campaign promises, that's when our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn't actually helping them and that you can't fix the system from within.

Just because well read socialists know that electoralism is a dead end doesn't mean that your average person does, so having an actual direct example of it not working is important for agitprop and education. How many people here are leftists because they were inspired by Bernie Sanders, or someone similar in their own countries/cities?

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[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

it’s zohver

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

This basically confirms he's winning the election and then being the AOC stopgap to any further socialist reforms.

If random gusanos gets him to think this way who knows what the dems have done.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Putting all of this disgusting, western chauvinism aside, it is objectively funny that so much is being made of the political positions of a mayor (yes, I know context matters and he's the presumptive mayor of New York but still)

Imagine this much of a stink being made regarding the opinions of the mayor of Minot, North Dakota

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