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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Russia aims for people, Ukraine aims for infrastructure. That should tell you all you need to know about who’s on the wrong side of this fight

Slava Ukraini

[–] manxu@piefed.social 71 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Russia after one million of theirs died in a pointless war: yawn
Russia after they have to wait ten hours in line at the gas station: REVOLUTION

I am glad Ukraine has found a strategic target that harms the enemy economy without committing war crimes. Oil refineries are obvious, valid war targets.

I continue being amazed at how much Ukraine can achieve with restraint, and how little Russia accomplishes by committing serial war crimes.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's almost like war crimes aren't actually very effective at winning the war, and only serve to satisfy the pointless cruelty of people giving the orders.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

It's already known since WWII and the Battle Of Britain that bombing civilian populations doesn't decrease their resolve, quite the contrary.

Whilst some of Russia bombing (such as that of power generation) does make military sense, for the last year or so it looks like strategically Ukraine is way more effective at damaging Russian war efforts with long range attacks than the other way around.

Further, it also looks like Ukraine, with it's proportionally much smaller territory, is much more effective at AA defense.

It's funny that since Ukraine started making their own weaponry for in-depth attacks (as, shamelessly, Western powers did not provide them from the start with cruise missiles), Russia's "Big Country" advantage is being turned into a disadvantage.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd like to correct that it's one million of their soldiers lost in a pointless war, not died. About 2/3 of those losses are severe permanent injuries that render the soldier useless for military use.

The goal of Ukraine is not to kill the maximum amount of orcs, but to neutralize the maximum amount of orcs.

You can see it this way: There are, in any case, about two serious injuries per one death. In human armies it tends to be about five injuries per one death, but in the Russian army a lot of people who would end up counting as "injured" end up counting as "dead", as there is no healthcare available for them. If there really were 1,1 million dead, the total losses would be in the ballpark of 3½ million soldiers. And the Russian military has not lost 3½ million soldiers yet. Therefore, it must be that the number includes also the seriously permanently wounded.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Very very true and my mistake. At the same time, the severely wounded come back with horror stories and are likely to need help, straining resources ever further.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Would love to see 50% or more knocked out for Christmas

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 days ago

There's still plenty of time

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This is how all modern wars have been and will be won.

You can send as many troops with 90 rounds of ammo and a rifle (I don't fucking know how much ammo they carry) tanks, artillery, jets, etc.

But if you cut off the enemies ability to utilize oil, them you nueter their war machine.

Everything in modern warfare requires refined oil. And every war in last few centuries has been won by halting supplies to the front lines.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In the US Army, a standard load for a soldier carrying an M4A1 rifle is 210 rounds of ammunition, divided into seven 30 round magazines. One magazine is in the rifle, and six are in magazine pouches, typically on the front of the soldier.

Sorry. I don't know why I felt the need to type that, it just kind of happened automatically.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's way more than I was expecting.

But now you have me thinking all sorts of other questions.

But it really can be summed up with: goddamn what don't soldiers carry? Like you got a have less cartilage in those knees after a deployment to an active battlefield than anyone older than 70?

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Weapons, food, bedroll, comms gear, mission specific items, spare parts for everything to try and thwart Murphy, etc…yeah it’s a lot and that’s just a regular grunt, not someone like a machine gunner with an even heavier weapon/ammo or carrying rockets.

Knees and ankles are an issue for pretty much every infantry soldier, the ones jumping out of planes with all that shit bundled to you even more so.

Man, I don't get it. Infantry has pretty much been a "hold this heavy ass shit, walk long distances, kill enemies before they kill you."

And somehow militaries for thousands of years have been able to convince huge groups of young men to either sign up for this or because they were told "or else."

And I guess "or else" is usually starvation, conscription, or execution. At any point a group being trained could say "yo guys this is stupid" everyone else would probably agree, and then the entire army thing would ... Stop. wouldn't it?

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Soldiers carry a TON of stuff. Physical fitness and strength are a big part of the job.

The main reason soldiers carry so much ammo is that suppressing fire is so critical to modern infantry tactics. Without suppressing fire of your own you’re going to get pinned down by enemy suppressing fire. An immobilized unit is a dead unit.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And every war in history has been won by halting supplies to the front lines.

Is that accurate? When your manpower is low enough your supply needs are met by looting any random villages you come across. For a long time wars were generally won by convincing your troops not to rout in a handful of battles.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

I think by time your manpower gets that low, you've more or less lost the war. At that point it's guerilla warfare more than anything.

I don't know how far back I'm going then I guess.

Maybe modern history. Like 1700s- present

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

Keep going! Slava Ukraini!!