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I feel called out (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 10 months ago by jayandp@sh.itjust.works to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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[-] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 172 points 10 months ago

My wife uses Arch (actually). She calls it the internet, when she really means Facebook. She knows it isn't Apple but it gets a bit vague after that!

The last time I had to fire up the Mesh Central client to sort something out on her desktop from work was around three months ago. Every couple of weeks I ssh into it, update it and schedule a reboot for 03:00.

[-] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 87 points 10 months ago

why arch and not something with more stable updates like debian?

[-] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 78 points 10 months ago

I've spent over 25 years with Linux. With multiple distros and a lot of that with Gentoo and Arch. At work I specify Ubuntu or Debian, for simplicity and stability. I always used to use the minimal Ubuntu, because it was tiny with no frills. For quite a few years I managed a fleet of Gentoo systems across multiple customers - with Puppet. Those have quietly gone away. I've dallied with SuSE (all varieties), Mandrake, Mandriva, RedHat, Slackware, Yggdrassil and more.

Arch is surprisingly stable and being a rolling job there are no big jumps. When I replace one of our laptops, I simply clone the old one to it and crack on. I used to do the same with Gentoo - my Gentoo laptops went from an OpenRC job with dual Nokia N95 ppp connections around 2007 to through to around 2018 with systemd and decent wifi when I switched to Arch to allow the burns on my lap to heal. I still have a Gentoo VM running (amongst friends) on the esxi in my attic.

It was installed in 2006 according to some of the kernel config files. I left it for way too long and had to use git to make Portage advance forwards in time and fix around a decade of neglect. It would have been too easy to wipe and start again. It took about a fortnight to sort out. At one point I even fixed an issue following a forum post I made myself years ago.

Anyway, Arch is pretty stable.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 23 points 10 months ago

Debian is sometimes frustratingly out of date for daily apps like the web browser. I'd rather recommend something with a bit more updates like Mint.

[-] tricoro@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago

frustratingly out of date for daily apps like the web browser

Use flatpack for those then?

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[-] voluntaryexilecat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago

After many years of using multiple devices and even servers with Archlinux installed it never broke because of an update (spoiler: I use systemd-boot instead of grub). If a system is to be used by a less experienced user, just install linux-lts Kernel instead.

Unstable does not mean it crashes/breaks often, it just means it does not guarantee to not bump to the newest upstream version and that it does not do backports. This can be a problem when using unmaintaned software that does not like using a recent python/php.

This is also great because if you find a bug in a software you can report it to upstream directly. Debian maintainers only backport severe bugs, not every one of them. It can take over a year for new features to arrive - especially painful with applications like gimp, krita, blender, etc. You can use debian-unstable of course, which is close to upstream as well.

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[-] halvar@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago

That's torture and is outlawed by the geneva convention (btw)

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

If she only does basic web browsing, why not something more stable like Ubuntu or Debian?

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[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 130 points 10 months ago
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[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 112 points 10 months ago

Personally, if you can't tell me if you are running Windows or MacOS, I don't really want you downloading my software

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[-] Calidro@feddit.de 75 points 10 months ago

Does anyone really not know if they have an apple or windows device...?

[-] nx2@feddit.de 100 points 10 months ago

I'm sure my grandma does not give a shit

[-] senicar@social.cyb3r.dog 21 points 10 months ago

I do Linux research for a living and I barely give a shit.

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[-] moon_matter@kbin.social 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sometimes they can afford to not know because they have a relative who can manage the device for them. In which case they really wouldn't be installing software on their own really.

You would be surprised at how many people cannot even change the volume on their tablet.

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[-] Neato@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

My aunt in her late 70s probably is only distantly aware. I wouldn't be surprised if she turned her tablet around to check.

[-] joucker29@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Yes. I have helped people install software over discord and they don't know what a OS is.

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[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 57 points 10 months ago

Penguin fellas only download software from package managers and official repos tho

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Unless it's not in a package manager, and you're assuming those links don't point to official repos

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 10 months ago

downloading software from the browser? Are we windows users?

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[-] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If the client is blocking OS fingerprinting by returning generic navigator.appVersion and userAgent values you should probably just assume Linux in the first place.

[-] stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 10 months ago

that one NetBSD user bursts into flames

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[-] Ramin_HAL9001@lemmy.ml 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You mean, there are still websites that don't auto-detect what OS you're running and make you actually choose?

[-] m00b0mph@lemmy.sdf.org 109 points 10 months ago

I actually hate it when a website does that, especially when it doesn't let you download the application you want because your OS is not compatible. For example you wanna download some windows software to run it with Wine/Proton and the website detects you are running linux and does not let you download. I always need to spoof my User-Agent string to get access.

[-] BillDoor@feddit.uk 69 points 10 months ago

The correct solution (as with languages on websites) is to auto-detect but then make it super easy and obvious how to change if the auto detected version is not what the user wants.

Also if any web developers out there are reading - don't use the user's location to determine the language/region they want, and especially don't force it. I have no idea why so many websites do this but those responsible deserve to permanently have small amounts of sand in all their socks.

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[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 22 points 10 months ago

The kind of website that distributes linux stuff is going to know most linux distros ship with Firefox set up to not report OS

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[-] Spudwart@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

Penguin People

Penguin People

I’ll have you know I’m and Arch Oligarch tyvm.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

Penguin people for sure know theirs

And they'll tell you about it every time.

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 31 points 10 months ago

As if apple users had no fuckin clue

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[-] nx2@feddit.de 30 points 10 months ago

On the other hand if you have a device you don't know what OS is on there it is likely some kind of Penguin (TV, SmartFridge, Hearing system display)

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 24 points 10 months ago
[-] nix@merv.news 34 points 10 months ago

For the confused: it seems to be a Visual Novel (possibly nsfw?) by the person who makes the comics with this character you’ve probably seen

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[-] Shnebs@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago
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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you don't know what OS you're using, how likely are you to know or understand what this app is?

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[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 18 points 10 months ago

I wish SrGrafo was on Lemmy.

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[-] jannis@feddit.de 17 points 10 months ago

There are some tech illiterate people, who use Linux without knowing it, because their child set it up for them.

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[-] masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago
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[-] sharkfucker420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago

Arch btw ;)

[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 12 points 10 months ago

Self actualization has to start somewhere.

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