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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 234 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
  • fact 1: yes, malcolm x said some things that are easily categorized as antisemitism. these statements were not the primary thrust of his platform but are not above criticism.
  • fact 2: charlie kirk said many things that are easily categorized as transphobia, homophobia, racism, islamophobia. these words were his entire platform and he literally died with the hateful words on his lips.
[–] 0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com 113 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

and Charlie arguably did things you should also consider Antisemitism. he said abortions are worse than the Holocaust and greeted a German with "Deutschland über alles" which is illegal to say in Germany

EDIT: apparently it's not illegal to say, just removed from the anthem. still, noone says it because that's nazi shit.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

more importantly he peddled neo-Nazi conspiracies and claimed Jews control the media, education, non-profits, etc. and are pushing "cultural Marxism"

this guy was pushing neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories - it's so much worse than comparing abortions to the Holocaust, lol

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Charlie Kirk is a fascist. Period.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's pining for the fjords.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago

He's stunned !

[–] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] 0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

oh, I could've sworn it's illegal. I must have misrememberef

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

iirc promoting nazism is technically illegal in germany, but it's one of those "exists more on paper than in reality" things

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I can't believe you left out that Charlie Kirk ~~is~~ was famously anti-Semitic (like, repeats neo-Nazi conspiracy theories levels of anti-Semitic) :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk#American_Jews_and_antisemitism

Kirk had been accused of antisemitism by multiple people and organizations;[187][188][189] The Anti-Defamation League accused Kirk of creating a "vast platform for extremists and far-right conspiracy theorists".[187] In October 2023, he said on The Charlie Kirk Show that "Jewish donors have been the Number 1 funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi‑Marxist policies ... This is a beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for Jews". He also suggested that these Jews control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it". Soon after, he said that "Jews have been some of the largest funders of cultural Marxist ideas and supporters of those ideas over the last 30 or 40 years."[190] Kirk called on American Jews to stop "subsidizing your own demise by supporting institutions that breed Anti-Semites and endorse genocidal killers".[187]

In November 2023, Kirk said that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them".[188] He went on to claim "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors", but said he was glad that some donors were reconsidering.[191] In 2025, Kirk said that "No non-Jewish person my age has a longer or clearer record of support for Israel, sympathy with the Jewish people, or opposition to antisemitism than I do".[187] In July 2025, Kirk warned his followers against hatred of Jews, calling it "evil" and "demonic".[192] Some Jewish public figures have defended Kirk against accusations of antisemitism, citing his pro-Israel stance. Kirk was funded by some Jewish donors, including Bernie Marcus.[193]

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can't believe you left out that Charlie Kirk is famously anti-Semitic

To be fair, he isn't anymore.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's being used as a martyr, so yes he is.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

dead authors are sometimes given historical present tense treatment to verbs of communication, "Charlie Kirk says the Jews control the colleges and Hollywood" is a stylistically acceptable choice

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 week ago

touche! thanks for sharing

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Malcolm X is turning in his grave rn being compared to a white supremacist and fascist

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Charlie Kirk was a fascist????? I may have to dissavow.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

you mean

malcom x was antifa????? i may have to dissavow!

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone I was subscribed to on YT posted a video about Kirk and MLK Jr. Saying they both died for "just wanting to talk". Immediately reported it and unsubscribed. How can people be so stupid?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 1 week ago
[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Disavow" is the first words those mf learn when they are babies.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Sergio@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago

Regardless of what you think of him, The Autobiography of Malcolm X is a fascinating and well-written book (co-authored with Alex Haley). It's available at many public libraries.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know guys. Maybe he's just never listened to anything Charlie Kirk had to say?

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

i mean yeah, if you completely ignore everything kirk has ever said he seems like a pretty chill dude :)

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dude put the Ukraine flag emoji in the username and supports someone siding with russia?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 week ago

I literally don’t know how to describe how stupid and broken Pavlou’s politics is. Only reason I learned about his existence is some other piece of shit streamer is a serial doxxer and made him one of his victims.

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's such a shame irony is lost on fascists, they're hilarious

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hard to see the hilarity when they're causing so much damage.

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 7 points 1 week ago
[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This can't not be ragebait, honestly. I think it's actually trying to be comedy, it's too perfect to be genuine

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This some real √2th dimensional shit

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago
[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Drews grandpappy was an anticommunist partisan in cyprus, and he's fucking proud of it