This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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This mod stated that they were the one behind the bans (https://feddit.org/comment/8930413)
So, a mod banning downvotes while using several sockpuppet accounts to vote multiple times.
Even on niche corners of the internet, the right can't avoid lying and vote manipulation.
This just keeps getting more absurd.
Yo 've gott em so werked up tehy ca'nt type ar spel
I loved how much their spelling kept devolving during that argument. It's hard to take someone seriously (especially an internet moderator) when they type like an 8 year old or someone who still types on a mid 2000s phone with a physical keypad.
I have a feeling like your picture of this person getting all worked up and typing increasingly unhinged is probably pretty much accurate to how that person appears.
sorry. brain injury when i was 11 and missing index finger on my lft hand. I'll try to pay more attention to it. (but don't feel bad about joking about it, i get what ur saying) thank you for pointing it out. Ill have gf help me before I send text
"Politics without trolls"
Fucking lol
It was a specific politics community that was just made to talk about politics without UniversalMonk. This was back in the days when the !politics@lemmy.world moderators, with their unerring instinct for making the worst decision possible on any given issue, were insisting that UniversalMonk hadn't done anything wrong and his honored place in the community needed to be preserved and the whole community who held a different opinion about him just didn't understand the bigger picture like they did.
- It was a specific politics community that was just made to talk about politics without UniversalMonk.
Glad that people made an entire community about being afraid of me though. Flattering! I. Am. Awesome.
- were insisting that UniversalMonk hadn't done anything wrong
Because I didn't do anything wrong.
Another day, another mention of me by you. Friend, you're obsessed. You need to let it go.
We can be brothers, but you don't have to mention me every single day. That's clingy! lol
You're rent free in Phillip's head every day.
Every. Single. Day.
lol
Uhh, can I get some context?
Edit: nvm, it was the previous post. Dunno if federated links have arrived yet, but here’s the post for posterity
You're fucking kidding me lmao.
I experienced the exact same thing (on a very small scale) from that dbzer0 community that was going apeshit banning anyone who gave them downvotes and talking about "anti AI trolls." It sure looked like they were batch-voting certain content, right away after it was posted from some handful of different accounts.
I never said anything about it at the time, just moved on with life, because it (a) sounds like I'm just whining about getting downvotes for my own stuff which was when I noticed it (b) would create accusations that I'm making it up (c) would create inter-instance drama (d) didn't even really continue within my awareness for any length of time I was aware of. But they definitely seemed like they were, at the very least, coordinating between a bunch of people to give out batches of votes to some content they wanted to manipulate in some way, and at worst, doing that but with sockpuppets.
It kind of makes sense. The same kind of mentality that even cares enough about this in the first place and feels entitled to cheat the system a little bit to make it kind-of-impossible to give their own content "incorrect" downvotes, would probably also feel entitled to cheat the system a little more to issue "correct" votes in sufficient numbers to make sure the voting totals for content they cared about were "correct" according to what they wanted.
"Try not to use any sockpuppet accounts on your way out" fuckin gold lmao
Hilarious man.
But they definitely seemed like they were, at the very least, coordinating between a bunch of people to give out batches of votes to some content they wanted to manipulate in some way, and at worst, doing that but with sockpuppets.
Feel free to bring receipts
@eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com poking me claiming I'd been "caught lying" about something else needled me to actually look up what I was looking at back when this happened. Here's this post:
• https://quokk.au/post/144284
• Source breakdown
• 0.0% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 29.4% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +3 up, -7 down
• 15-30m: +1 up, -2 down
• 30-45m: +2 up
• 45-60m: +2 up, -3 down
• 75-90m: -3 down
• 90-105m: +1 up
• 105-120m: -2 down
So what you're looking at there is what percent of the total votes (up and down) came from a lemmy.dbzer0.com account, and then a breakdown of what came in during any given 15-minute window during the two hours immediately following the post.
Having 30% of the votes come in from a single instance when the post was posted to a busy lemmy.world community is hugely sus, since the percent of Lemmy users who are even on dbzer0.com is so small compared with other instances. And then, that pattern of a huge influx of votes in one direction right after the thing is posted, with a ratio of up to downvotes (and a much higher volume in one direction only) that doesn't match the ratio you see for most of the lifetime, is often an indication of voter fraud or coordinated voting. It's actually even more tightly clustered than it looks like on there, those 7 downvotes all came in during one single 5-minute window of rapid fire downvoting, way more active than any time before or after that 5-minute window. It shows on the lemvotes page which is what the script that made that draws from. A lot of Reddit voter fraud was based on sort of "painting the tape" right when something was posted -- people tend to upvote what's already upvoted and downvote likewise, and it'll have a corresponding impact on putting it in front of people or hiding it from them respectively.
For reference if you want to see, here are examples of what a more normal layout of voting would look like:
• https://lemmy.world/post/33473245
• Source breakdown
• 1.3% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 0.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +3 up
• 15-30m: +3 up
• 30-45m: +12 up
• 45-60m: +10 up, -1 down
• 60-75m: +16 up
• 75-90m: +9 up
• 90-105m: +12 up
• 105-120m: +12 up, -1 down
• https://lemmy.world/post/33466438
• Source breakdown
• 10.0% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 0.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +1 up, -1 down
• 15-30m: +1 up
• 30-45m: +1 up
• 45-60m: +1 up
• 75-90m: +3 up
• 105-120m: +3 up
• https://lemmy.world/post/33465623
• Source breakdown
• 0.0% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 5.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +3 up, -3 down
• 15-30m: +2 up, -4 down
• 30-45m: +1 up, -1 down
• 45-60m: +1 up
• 60-75m: +3 up, -3 down
• 75-90m: +1 up, -2 down
• 90-105m: -1 down
• 105-120m: +1 up, -6 down
• https://lemmy.world/post/33455276
• Source breakdown
• 3.6% upvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• 0.0% downvotes are from lemmy.dbzer0.com
• Time breakdown
• 0-15m: +12 up, -2 down
• 15-30m: +9 up, -2 down
• 30-45m: +11 up
• 45-60m: +4 up, -1 down
• 60-75m: +7 up
• 75-90m: +5 up
• 90-105m: +2 up
• 105-120m: +6 up
See? Looks different, right? Maybe it's just me.
Having 30% of the votes come in from a single instance when the post was posted to a busy lemmy.world community is hugely sus, since the percent of Lemmy users who are even on dbzer0.com is so small compared with other instances. And then, that pattern of a huge influx of votes in one direction right after the thing is posted, with a ratio of up to downvotes (and a much higher volume in one direction only) that doesn’t match the ratio you see for most of the lifetime, is often an indication of voter fraud or coordinated voting.
IIRC, at the time you were on a full "dbzer0 has turned power tripping" campaign
7 downvotes, from actual different users from what I can see on the lemvotes page, isn't voter fraud, it's just people probably sharing that post in a group chat, and downvoting it, especially as the post itself is trying to spin some drama against them (it's not clearly stated, but anyone aware of what was happening at the time would have known).
I could create the same kind of posts about any instance in the same circumstances, be it SJW, LW, Blahaj, slrpnk, and get a similar result.
I don't have time now to dig into it right now, but from what I remember you were dead set against dbzer0 at the time. I guess that has changed since the post today about goat and !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works just banning everyone from dbzer0
it’s just people probably sharing that post in a group chat, and downvoting it
Yeah, probably. I didn't look too closely but they did look like real accounts from what I saw, and the timing to me seemed absolutely impossible to have happened that way without some kind of coordination. Isn't that the exact type of thing that they described as "abusive" and deserving of a ban when it happened to them, though? That's why I thought it was ironic and hilarious, and why I brought it up when someone else mentioned the exact same behavior from someone else who was banning for downvotes. I do think it's sort of a notable (and obvious in retrospect) confluence of behaviors, for the reasons I explained.
IIRC, at the time you were on a full “dbzer0 has turned power tripping” campaign
I guess that has changed since the post today about goat and !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works just banning everyone from dbzer0
Not really. I don't operate along the lines of "everything my friends do is always fine, everything my enemies do is always bad." I do understand that a lot of people on Lemmy do seem to operate that way, but I just kind of call balls and strikes as I see them.
I'm pretty sure I actually prefaced that whole initial dbzer0 drama by saying that generally I had liked the dbzer0 team in the past, and I spent quite a long time going back and forth with db0 specifically, because if someone I usually think is a decent sort is doing something weird, I feel like they deserve hearing it directly to their face.
Overall, I walked away from that interaction thinking that the dbzer0 authority team is kind of children. I still think that, I think I was giving them minor grief more recently about doing something else that I think was dumb. But it doesn't mean that all of a sudden if goat bans anyone from dbzer0 I'm going to start to go "YEAH THEY'RE THE ENEMY GET EM GET EM." Like I say, I know a lot of people on Lemmy seem to operate that way. I do not. I think goat has been weird about a bunch of stuff (and seems actually malicious, as opposed to the /0 team which seems more just kind of childish but nothing really ill intentioned.)
Hopefully that is allowed. I feel like there's somewhat of a possibility that needling the dbzer0 admins and being publicly critical of them is going to result in them turning into Brendan Carr to my Kimmel and deciding that they're allowed to silence or punish or fight me because of that criticism.... meaning interpreting that in the mold of "dead set against dbzer0" -> "enemy" and reacting accordingly, mirror imaged to the way they react to "positive about dbzer0" -> "friend." Maybe not, the admins themselves haven't really done anything like that so far, but others like the slrpnk admins definitely have. Let's see. My general attitude to speaking my mind is more along the lines of "I can say what I want to say, even if it involves some kind of criticism of somebody, and in particular if I think you're being a blockhead I'm going to tell you about it." IDK what most of Lemmy is doing with their tribalistic alternative to that, but that's how I do it.
I don't have time right now, but as a rule of thumb, calling other people children just because they collectively disagree with you doesn't seem like the best way to operate either.
There can be antagonism between instances, that's inherent to the nature of the platform, pretending it's not the case is probably missing an important part of that platform.
I didn't call them children because they disagreed with me. Plenty of people disagree with me, it comes with the territory of me being an opinionated loudmouth, and honestly it rarely bothers me.
I called them children because they were bullying and banning a trans person when she tried to disagree with their handling of trans issues, while crying about "abuse" if people dared to give their friends downvotes, among other similar behavior.
Citation to remind about specifics if you want it
It's a 100% fair question, I looked back for a while and couldn't even find the posts where this happened. Let me look more a little later and get back to you.
Willing to bet we don't get any, as Phillip has lied about db0 before, and will again.
the imposter account in OP's graphic that goes by @thesilentnickle@lemmy.zip, was created to make OP's argument and get me banned. that imposter account was never a mod or poster or even voter (as far asi know) in my community.
i reached out to the admin of lemmy.zip, and now imposter account has been removed/banned. u canwrite that admin for proof.
OP started another thread two days ago bout people banning downvoters, "threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works is banning users for downvoting his posts." https://lemmy.world/post/35942590
OP feels strongly about downvotes. his account is 3 months old with 4 posts, and half of those posts are about being angry about bans for downvoting.
interesting. ill continue banning for serial downvoting as rules fo my community say.
Thats a lie, it was created a day prior to my involvement in any way.
Most likely you decided to manipulate votes via sock puppets an addition to abusing your mod powers.
Occams Razor points to you.
Stop trying to cover me in your shit, you are fooling nobody.
not a lie. it was created to do just what you posted. i banned u for serial downvoting and ur mad. and others are too. thats ok. laughing because some imposter account got me banned from places I don't even plan to visit, isnt the flex u think it is. u don't see me starting multiple threads trying to defederate them for it lol
u also started another post on another instance complaining about some other mod banning people for downvoting. we get it. you don't like the idea that serial downvoters can be banned. Some ban for it, some don't. that's Lemmy.
Stop trying to make up shit, you are fooling nobody.
I understand you are feeling cornered having been caught, but slandering others is not the adult response.
Please try to learn and grow from this humiliation, you might become a better person.
I understand you are feeling cornered because lemmy's attitude is starting to be against serial downvoting. i understand ur anger about getting banned for it. i hope you learn to follow community rules in the future.
Sure brother.
No one is buying it, and your constant clumsy attempts to divert the conversation are getting truly hard to watch.
Please go outside and leave your phone at home, for your sake and the sake of everyone around you.
Is this what you've been reduced to? repeating my own previous responses at me in a weak attempt at trolling?
Can you not find something better to do with your day?
disengage