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Chatters deflated this dude in record time. Weaponizes mental illness and then immediately back peddled saying "you know that's not what I mean". Paints them as monoliths BE fans. Puts a ban out on all BE supporters in the chat for being "parasocial thinkers". Then mopes and pouts for the next 20+ minutes.

I enjoy Hasan, I like the Fear& podcast, but I also see his limitations, and it fully drives me up a wall when he starts dropping "mental illness" derogatorily. Use that college education and find some new fucking words.

Anyway, I don't know much about Graham Platner, but I love this part of his Wikipedia page:

He was pictured holding a sign reading "Free Kosovo, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Kurdistan, Tibet". When he was 18, he was quoted in the Bangor Daily News after protesting President George W. Bush and the Iraq War at an appearance by Bush at Bangor International Airport.[7]

Platner enlisted in the Marine Corps shortly after graduating from high school, and served three tours in Iraq, in areas including Ramadi and Fallujah.

How do you get from "protesting the Iraq war" to "did three tours in Iraq including Fallujah"?

I get it, he's doing the populist thing, but we should be clear that populism isn't socialism by it self. If I have that wrong then maybe Donald Trump is the greatest socialist of our time.

I have more faith in Zohran coming out of the DSA then this guy coming off the oyster boat. I have a funny feeling he won't be met with the same resistance that these DSA candidates are getting hit with. At least there is a chance thr DNC turns on the DSA and forces them to rethink their strategy. There is nothing supporting this guy should he get the same treatment. I don't think he will though. I think the dems like dudes who do 5 tours as an imperial foot soldier and another as a security contractor for the State Department.

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[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

everything i learn about streamers is against my will

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Glad to be of service!

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

All I need to know about Graham Planter is he was an AmeriKKKan soldier, a combat veteran, and mentions being a veteran in his political ads like it's a positive rather than an albatross around his neck.

I have a very simple and effective heuristic for AmeriKKKan soldiers and especially "combat veterans" who are not World War 2 vets:

If they're good, they apologize anytime they bring it up, and they never act like it was a good thing. If they're bad, they treat it positively (or, if they treat it positively, they're by definition bad).

Graham treats it positively. Therefore, fuck him.

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

4 tours plus a stint in backwater

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

( I have not watched the video on the grounds that streamers tend to bore me)

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

It's a simple rule, but a golden one.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Would these people accept this guy if he was Russian?

"Yes he volunteered for the Russian military to go to Ukraine, but now he advocates for better healthcare for Russians, which makes him based"

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[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Graham platner is the debt conscious gestapo from the kelly strip

Also free tibet from what

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Holy shit I knew Kelly was based but I didn't expect him to go this hard lmao

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

That whole strip was incredible.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Do not look at his actual genuine strips. Those are mostly concentrated liberalism.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

from its lack of serfdom and theocracy

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

atlantic-council Free Tibet from democracy!

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[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

In what world does one see posts from the guy himself like this (especially the last paragraph) and then somehow convince yourself "oh yeah he's my leftist anti-imperial guy"? Real tired of Bernie bros and dipshit American "leftists" like Hasan

[–] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

what the actual fuck.

"350 upvotes"

please xi just send in the troops already blob-help

[–] D61@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty common USA'ian upbringing. 18~19 year olds aren't always known for having the most grounded political opinions.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And if he said, "I was a dumb, propagandized child and I regret my actions to this day", it'd be a different conversation.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

The guy doesn't strike me as somebody who has figured out that the propaganda didn't stop and he's still heavily brain wormed by it. I'll eat my hat if it turns out he was playing the long con with overemphasizing the "imma vet'ren" as his personal identity/brand soley to get the flag waving liberal types on board, but I'm pretty confident he isn't.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Hasan states in the video that his support is basically "is he going to support defunding Israel?" Which, to my eyes, allows for a MASSIVE open window for opertunism, especially since the DNC just voted down doing anything about Israel at all. Graham knows that they won't be doing anything about Israel, he can say whatever he wants and shake his first at the party he is eager to join, and when nothing happens, he can say, "I was there! I was shaking my fist!" And before someone comes at me with, "Well, what are you doing?", I'll tell you what I'm not doing, I'm not running on a populist platform under the Democratic Party, which has clearly established that genocide means nothing to them. Someone with the power and motion to run for office, with the backing of a highly respected member of Congress, should have a lot more influence than me. Anyone with eyes and ears should be able to see that adding this one guy to the wretched waters of the Democratic Party isn't going to make the waves any bigger. As time continues to move forward, we reach even more critical and escelating conditions in Gaza. Nation states have yet to implement any legitimate material measures against them. The best hope I have for the immediate future is the Freedom Flotillas. These brave comrades are putting their bodies on the line, and every time they do more people decide it's time to put their bodies on the line. I have more hope for dock workers finally putting pressure on their docks to stop accepting ships heading to Israel. I have more hope in the Ansar Allah and the people of Yemin to be an even more forceful deturrent on shipping lanes.

So I'm not even convinced that Hasan is viewing Graham as a leftist anti-imperial guy. I think he is hyperfocusing on changing the collective line on genocide within the ranks of the Democratic Party in the short term, while not acknowledging the damage supporting oppertunists like Graham will have in the long term. I can't even give this guy a pass for being "young," if his story is even true, frankly. The cognitive dissonance on display here is astounding. If he was only in for a year, even two years, and then got out, and was very critical of his own participation, I might be more receptive. To do 4 tours and then spend time as a contractor for the state department, that's really wild. He strikes me as an "opposed to all wars except the current war" type, which will fit right in at the DNC.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Twitter lefties" is now Hasan's way of saying tankie isn't it lol

[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hasan is mad that he isnt the most leftist person on the internet anymore

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[–] grym@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

I feel like that's a real thing honestly. There's a particular kind of online "leftist" that spends all their time just repeating what "their guy" said, or having shit takes, getting into arguments, and it's a complete waste of time but they see themselves as principled activists doing important work.

Its a sign of powerlessness and learned helplessness, people alone thinking what they say and think online matters, and that its important to say X or Y or to "support" or "not support" X or Y when they literally have zero impact, its make-belief, and becomes a weird identitarian thing for people who engage in it.

I guess I'd call them online ultras or whatever but despite being very few, they are incredibly annoying.

[–] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

"Leftists" who worship or give endless grace to US war vets(while dismissing groups like Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists and regarding them to be just as evil as the IDF) are so damn annoying. Can't wait to see this result in the entire Hasan fanbase to start stanning for said vets and ignoring their complicity in imperialist violence

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have a funny feeling he won't be met with the same resistance that these DSA candidates are getting hit with

And that right there is the true litmus test, will the DNC back him or not, Zohran passed OUR test by failing the DNC's test

If this fuckin Iraqi killing merc gets a DNC endorsement, then Hasan better correct himself

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He gives statements about Gaza.I wonder if he will get the pass on it because us-foreign-policy

Actually now to think of it Im not sure if he isn't just a liberal Zionist

I'm not going to waste time or energy pinning hopes on him. I did like to see that the line about Gaza in his speech got the loudest applause though by far

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i do not like this graham platner guy, i'd like to hear him actually recant any support for having been in the imperial fascist death machine and that seems pretty unlikely.

that said, people that watch https://hexbear.net/post/6021351 this guy's version of slop videos relentlessly and then parrot them everywhere are genuinely annoying parasocial ultras. he wields his platform in a way that often encourages pointless left punching and posting instead of going outside and organizing.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

Oh I agree. I've never "had to give it to" BE. Especially not now. Anyone can be as "based" as he is by just having the most uncritical position possible, while being an insufferable asshole. Everything I hear or see from him is against my will and he gives of Destiny vibes. He'll reveal more of his actually existing shitty takes like the one you linked in time. When people stop watching because the drama tap is running dry he'll crash out again.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Banning BE fans seems pretty based as of late, dudes a transphobe

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everything good or positive BadEmpanada says can also easily be said by a principled communist. He holds no special analysis or anything that warrants "critical support" - all he deserves is full on criticism.

[–] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

BadEmpanada is only useful in the sense that he is a professional twitter-shit-storm-starter. He is funny when he shits on America and NATO (remember his "troop exploder" bit?), but he is pretty bad on any issue that doesn't involve posting about great power politics. Ultimately he is just a poster who gets paid to make noise.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Oh I agree, but that's not why he banned them.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's such a weird list of places to free

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah it's all over the place.

[–] abc@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Every so often I'll click around a Hasan video and just go cringe when I listen to him and think "this guy is a driving voice behind the online left" lol, but I can say the same thing about like all of Cum Town/Chapo/every Youtube, Twitch.tv, Twitter, your average Hexbear leftist.

And sure, I think Hasan is right to some degree (at least from the like 3-4 minutes I watched) where he's talking about how the US left has 'nothing' so it is not necessarily completely meaningless to participate in electoralism, and as a result you do sometimes have to overlook certain parts of a candidate's beliefs/platform/past/upbringing/etc if you want to achieve any movement towards the left in this country. But I don't think Graham Platner is a candidate to really do that for lol.

For how much he's sucked about Israel and half a dozen other things - if you tell me "I am supporting Bernie still because I think he's our best hope at having a somewhat left-of-center driving voice in American politics", it'll be hard for me to really have a true problem with that. I personally probably wouldn't go out of my way to canvas for the old fuck or bother to go to another rally of his, but if you think throwing your money/time/support behind him is how we'll get some crumbs of leftist policies in this country - go for it.

But some random ex-Blackwater retired Iraq/Afghanistan vet 100% military disability oyster farmer's first campaign ever?? It is like online leftists haven't learnt from their most recent mistake in candidates. [This would be where the one of John Fetterman emotes I KNOW we have would go, but the godawful tagging means you get stuff like kamala-coconut-tree when you type 'fetterman' because anything with 'fe' or 'er' or 'an' or even a single letter gets displayed and of course, half of the emojis have the vaguest names imaginable...ANYWAYS)

[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

if you want to achieve any movement towards the left in this country

This is only true if you think that electing "your guy" is moving towards the left (which a lot of USians and US hexberians seem to think). Electing socialist candidates should be like a tertiary issue at best, but USians cannot comprehend what building a political party / mass movement actually means, and think that everything orbits the election cycle.

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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

maybe Donald Trump is the greatest socialist of our time.

Uphold Gavin Newsom Thought

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry, could I get some time stamps? Not really a fan of this guy, and I don't think I can watch him for 20 minutes straight, so if you could post timestamps for the offending content, that'd save me a lot of time. heart-sickle

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Here I'll save you time. I'll break it down so you don't have to watch.

  • Hasan piker wants to wait and see to hedge bets on some guy who is a burgermacht mercenary but now a politician.
  • Hasan or other burgercitizens think that the mercenary is some lesser evil and needs to win.
  • Other online figures like that empanada guy have a tweet/slop video spat with the streamer
  • Streamer guy gets pissed at the questions lobbed at him for support
  • Streamer gets angry and dubs the barrage of questions as stemming from twitter spat
  • Streamer puts up a snarky title on his video upload of this whole drivel

There you go.

Tldr; Large guy heralds another boring american politician who sucks and gets angry. More discussion about garbage usa politics delivered via online crap. More at 7

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can't believe I ever thought Hasan was good. Honestly, this lesson has been hitting me in the head, but "Never trust large online leftist personalities who don't explicitly support Joeseph Stalin, Dr. Huey Newton, and Leslie Feinburg" is a pretty good way to live tbh.

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't give credence to online crap in general. Its pretty pointless.

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[–] grym@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Good or Bad is not a great lens for these things sadly, and online figures are always just online figures. I try to judge on results. That said I don't really understand the argument here, I thought the position regarding electoralism and pressure on Israel was always pretty clear, I don't see any kind of naive endorsement personally.

This isnt directed at you but I swear some people think doing fuck all but having takes and saying "oh you naive lib everything is useless and dumb" is somehow activism. We all think electoralism is shit, some still think pushing strategically on certain fronts is worth doing, some don't. Kinda wish the people who don't would shut the fuck up about it, it feels like a waste of time and drama farming tbh.

I feel like that's probably more the reason he gets annoyed or whatever, it annoys me too.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What we are doing here is engaging in critique. It is not a waste of time, as critique is to some degree an endless process. The issue is that we have no real power to influence change in behavior from the electoralists, so it very much feels like we are wasting our time and breathe by discussing it. M

We cannot 'drama farm' because we make no money from doing that here. Twitter people to some degree can. Hasan on the other hand, benefits from engaging in the electoral farce because it engages the majority of his viewers, who are social Democrats. He therefore, has an incentive to be incorrect and pursue incorrect action.

I get what you are saying though.

For my money, he is a politics streamer, therefore I do not.like him. It is pretty simple.

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[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Hasan's ableism is a legitimate critism, probably his biggest flaw IMO. Even r/hasan constantly shits on him for it. I wish he wouldn't use this because I suspect its just Gamer slur he should have grown out of it and its not excusable.

I get it, he's doing the populist thing, but we should be clear that populism isn't socialism by it self. If I have that wrong then maybe Donald Trump is the greatest socialist of our time.

I don't think you disagree with him though, he clearly states mostly the same thoughts as you do here @9:40.

He is literaly telling his chat how the online left view him and others as some revolutionary leader or movement builders when the reality is that clearly they're not and his only real hope is marginal improvements. So very clearly he is not supporting someone because they just socialists alone. Its obvious given how close he is with Bernie/AOC etc...

At the current global stage where there is no global socialist movement and the left rethoric is "multipolarity is good when global south fascists get together because they resist the US ~~even when they clearly don't~~" then he is right to say we're cooked and not just the US. There is no USSR and no real hope for any socialist movement until material conditions deteriorate a lot more.

He even concedes you can disengage from electorialism and Zohran if you want too.

The only real commentary on this video is TL;DR "he clears the Gaza genocide bar" and even though that is a low bar, its enough to give the benefit of doubt given the situation. This random guy is definitely irredeemable based on principles alone for sure, but the point here is to create pressure by having any sort of alternative political candidate against the genocide. For now the standards are low but once more and better candidates appear you'd obviously pick them over any random pro-Palestine grifter or so the logic goes.

Bernie etc are shit because they have a proven record of being shit. Is the new random guy saying marginally good things this week also shit? Yes probably, but keep in mind he is not speaking to people like us but the average person that already lost all hope. I don't particularly care about lesser evilism politics, but it is always an argument to be made.

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[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think that's a poor choice of words in your title but maybe I'm wrong. I'm wrong all the time.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

is this a "butt hurt" is homophobic angle? Pegging has been in the zeitgeist for over a decade and white people eating chipotle has been so constant i'm not even sure butt hurt is a sex/sexuality thing at all.

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I looked it up and it comes from spanking. I always assumed it was homophobic, and I suppose people do still use it that way in some cases, but that's way better than I thought. I've never said it myself and probably never will, but that's basically an aesthetic preference.

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